Get ready to strategize like a pro with your hosts Phil Smith and James Johnson, as we dissect the Jaguars' offseason maneuvers and laser focus on the NFL Draft. We're not just breaking down player stats—no, we're building the blueprint for the Jaguars' leap to greatness.
Strap in for a deep examination of the Jaguars' draft strategy as we spotlight the potential gridiron greats suited to sport teal and black. We debate the merits of a versatile receiver like AD Mitchell against the defensive might of Byron Murphy II and Terrion Arnold. It's a chess match of analysis, with nods to our Sacksonville roots and locker room dynamics that could sway the draft board. Remember, it's not just about the plays on the field; it's the moves off the field that shape a franchise.
Cap off your Jaguars journey with us as we navigate the shifting tides of our division and weigh our strategies against those of our rivals. Could a bold trade catapult us ahead, or will we double down on edge rush prowess? We're not just talking football—we're living and breathing every down, every play, every touchdown. Join us and be part of the Jaguars' story that's writing itself this very moment.
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Get ready to strategize like a pro with your hosts Phil Smith and James Johnson, as we dissect the Jaguars' offseason maneuvers and laser focus on the NFL Draft. We're not just breaking down player stats—no, we're building the blueprint for the Jaguars' leap to greatness.
Strap in for a deep examination of the Jaguars' draft strategy as we spotlight the potential gridiron greats suited to sport teal and black. We debate the merits of a versatile receiver like AD Mitchell against the defensive might of Byron Murphy II and Terrion Arnold. It's a chess match of analysis, with nods to our Sacksonville roots and locker room dynamics that could sway the draft board. Remember, it's not just about the plays on the field; it's the moves off the field that shape a franchise.
Cap off your Jaguars journey with us as we navigate the shifting tides of our division and weigh our strategies against those of our rivals. Could a bold trade catapult us ahead, or will we double down on edge rush prowess? We're not just talking football—we're living and breathing every down, every play, every touchdown. Join us and be part of the Jaguars' story that's writing itself this very moment.
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Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. Here are your hosts, james Johnson and Phil Smith. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. I am your co-host, phil Smith, and joining me, as always, is your other co-host, james Johnson, and Jay. Good to be back here with you as we are now a couple weeks removed from the free agency frenzy, as we are now steadfast in heading straight for the NFL draft and we're going to be talking a lot about that here today. But before we get started, jay, it's good to be back here with you here in the studio and to get another episode out of Touchdown Jaguars, and we want to thank all of you who have listened to the most recent episode, appreciate all that, all the feedback and everything of that nature. So, jay, how are you doing here tonight? Excited to talk some NFL draft, as, again, one of our favorite times of the year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I am glad to be back in the booth with you as well, man, feeling good. I guess come April uh, late April we might not be feeling as good when the picks are right now as it is, without any picks being made. I do feel good, as we talked about in the last podcast, like the moves that we've made, and there were some moves that we really disliked as well. Hint hint, calvin Ridley right. But that being said, man, yeah, man, I can't wait to.
Speaker 2:You know, continue this offseason or these offseason discussions here, man, because again, that's kind of like for us the many, many years that we've been doing it. We have the most fun is with projections and trying to predict and getting ready for the draft and going to the facility and, you know, putting out mock drafts and running mock draft simulators. All of that. It's the most exciting time of the year for us. So, yeah, man, I can't wait to discuss the topics we have at hand. As always, you all can feel free to follow the website that's touchdownjadwarscom. I actually, this time I was a man of my word and I got some content on there this week or last week, a new mock draft, I think I did four or five rounds. The next one I'll do. I'll probably do a seven rounder, even though, like you, got to be a mad man to do a seven rounder.
Speaker 2:But I'll try. I'll try. So, yeah, we got a mock draft.
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Speaker 1:Save yourself $20 on your first SeatGeek purchase, courtesy of Touchdown Jaguars. Once again, same promo code as always Touchdown Jaguars. I want to thank SeatGeek for continuing to sponsor the show and for all of you that have used that promo code thus far. We really, really appreciate it. So, jay, we're going to get right into this episode here, as we have again one of our favorite times of the year. Like you said, we have five prospects that we think that the Jaguars should covet at, pick number 17. And you know what? Maybe even throw in some curveballs here and there as well. As far as talking about other prospects, but before we begin, we do want to talk a little business as far as the Stadium of the Future plans here in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:This is an article that came out today, updated a little bit earlier this evening as we were recording here on the 27th of March. This comes from a News for Jacks article stating that the Jaguar Stadium of the Future took a big step forward Tuesday night when the Jacksonville City Council voted in favor of a plan to spend $10 million to get started on the stadium's construction, design and engineering services. While $10 million is a drop in the bucket, considering the cost of the project is an estimated $1.4 billion. This is the first official agreement from the city, which is a significant step. The plans for the stadium's renovations include a fixed roof membrane that protects the seating areas, a mirrored surface and a wraparound concourse to overlook the St John's River. Mike Weinstein, the chief negotiator for the city of Jacksonville, said the city council approval was the hurdle they had to clear. Quote the Jaguars have been doing a lot of the design work on their own with the company. As we move forward in the partnership, we're going to start paying for some of the design work as well and the $10 million that was authorized. Last night Weinstein said he and the city will hire its own construction company to verify and confirm the details of the renovation that were relayed to them from the Jaguars. Confirm the details of the renovation that were relayed to them from the Jaguars. Weinstein added that the $10 million that was approved was part of the $20 million that had already been approved when the plans were first shared.
Speaker 1:The team requested that the city pay for the renovations and the surrounding entertainment district. News for Jack's news partner, the Jacksonville Daily Record reported that the district is no longer part of the negotiations. Weinstein said including that money could have led to delays. He stated it would really add a tremendous complication to an already very complicated process and that property is embedded in what's called a CRA Community Redevelopment Area and the Downtown Investment Authority has responsibility for that area. He added the city will start focusing on the entertainment district, which includes parking, hotels and restaurants, after the stadium deal is finalized. He anticipates the city council members to be presented with plans for the entertainment district in May. So, jay, you know we kind of touched on this a little bit before we got started. Things seem to be trending in the right direction. So, you know, what do you have? What are your reactions to this latest news that things seem to be moving forward?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it is what you called it. You know, a positive step in the direction to that May 5th timeline or well, may, early May timeline that you know reporters have been putting out there in terms of you know when the Jaguars will have a tentative plan of how you know this thing will go in a whole, like a layout for the most part of how to go in terms of the cost and construction, and you know where the team will play in this, that and the other. So this is a step in that direction. You know, when it comes to these kind of things, as you know me and you discussed, you know we're big historians on the history of football, and not just that, but the history of the stadium situations too, because we, we had to be right back in the day knowing that one day this time was going to come for the Jacksonville Jaguars to either have a stadium built for the Jaguars or not. Right. But looking back at it, the St Louis situation, right, there wasn't a lot of positive momentum, and you can, you can read the tea leaves and you can feel the negative momentum that was brewing before. You know they came up on the time where they were moving.
Speaker 2:And you know, for us, you know we at times we haven't heard any news, and you know that's this is a case of no news is good news.
Speaker 2:But when we do hear news it's like what you just mentioned, right, Phil, with the 10 million dollars going to towards the engineering costs and what have you. So every time we have heard things here and there, on a month to month basis, it's been positive, and then otherwise it's been quiet, which is a good thing too, because if we were hearing, you know, if it wasn't going well, we'd be hearing like, hey, the city council and Jets aren't seeing eye to eye and you know this, that and the other, so can't wait until May, because that's, you know, that's obviously a big time for the Jacksonville Jaguars in their history and their, you know, ability, or whether they'll be staying in Jacksonville or not. Right, that'll kind of be the deadline and the day or the timeline we'll know that on. But this news that you just discussed indicates that you know they're trending into the direction of the Jacksonville Jaguars being here for the next 30, 25 years of the Jacksonville.
Speaker 1:Jaguars being here for the next 30, 25 years, whatever the case may be. Yeah, like you said, you know it is a totally different vibe from the San Diego Chargers situation. Right, st Louis Rams? You know those teams that and those cities that ultimately and unfortunately did lose their franchises. Nothing but positives seem to be coming out of this, and you know the only thing really at this point, obviously, other than waiting until May, the only thing that I myself want to know, and also a bunch of season ticket holders, is where the team is going to be playing. Are they going to play through the renovations, which I think last I heard is they do have plans on playing at the stadium while the renovations are ongoing, but if it's going to be somewhere else, I'd like to know sooner rather than later, see, but I mean if it's going to be somewhere else, like I'd like to know, sooner rather than later.
Speaker 2:You know, see if I'm getting, you know, recoup some of this money that I've already paid them for my season tickets. But for all intents and purposes, it seems like they will be playing at the stadium. Is that correct, jay? To multiple years away from Jacksonville and what they would try to do for the time where construction was going on and when they played in the stadium, the stadium would be, the capacity would be much lower than it is when it's at full capacity. So we're looking at like 40 45 000, which I think the fans will take that, you know, as opposed to multiple years away from Jacksonville. But the last I think I read is they were looking at maybe one year at the most of being away. We'll see where that's at, whether this Gainesville or, you know, dope Campbell in Tallahassee or Camping World Stadium in Orlando or Camping World Stadium in Orlando.
Speaker 2:But one thing though, phil, I do want to say that people are anticipating. Since you mentioned anticipation as well, I think the fans do really want to find out about that lazy river that we mentioned. Are we getting the lazy river around the stadium or not? Also, are we getting that Frank Gore statue in front of the stadium, on the opposite end of the stadium, from the Jaguar statue? Are we getting that? Those are the questions we need to be hitting on and trying to figure out what's the deal, and what will happen towards those goals.
Speaker 1:That's true, that is very true. People want to know ShotKhan Tony Khan, are we getting the Lazy River? Are you going to bring AEW all out or all in to this stadium? These are questions and things that we, the public and your fans deserve to know. But, yeah, again, nothing but positives seem to be coming out of this project.
Speaker 2:We're getting that roller coaster that goes over the stadium, like I was saying before. Right, phil?
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, yeah, all of these things uh need to be uh included. I say revitalize uh adventure landing and put an adventure landing in the stadium. Actually, why don't we just go all in and put a full-on adventure landing within the stadium? I think uh, I'm talking laser tag, I I like that idea.
Speaker 1:Laser tag a full arcade, all these things you know. Revitalize and bring back. Let's resurrect adventure landing from the scrap heap that it is now here in 2024. Anybody here in Duval County knows how sad it is to drive by an adventure landing these days. But, yeah, see, things seem to be trending in the positive direction. Anytime you hear mayor deegan talk about it, um, she's got a lot of optimism in her voice as well. So, good things. And again we'll we'll see what the next step is and likely we'll hear more about it, uh, here within the next month and a half or so.
Speaker 1:But, jay, let's jump into the football of it. And again, with the nfl draft and the jacksonville jaguars holding pick number 17, we you have selected five prospects that the team should be targeting at that pick and we actually did this episode a couple weeks ago, before free agency, and because of time constraints and things like that, we didn't get to get that episode out. That was mostly on me, on getting prepared for collective con. But we are back and we are going to, we're going to do this list here again and, oddly enough, jay, even though free agency has come and gone, the five players have remained the same.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you're going to switch up the order in which you have them, but I think it's relatively the same as far as the people and and the players that we can target here, and you know I'd like to get your, we're going to get your insight on all these prospects and seeing if maybe they should go in and and target some of those higher prospects up there. Whether you know, obviously it would have to be via trade, which we've seen some people have them do, um, in terms of mock drafts, we've seen them trading into the top 10 for some players and you know I'd like to get your thoughts on that. But let's go ahead and start off with number five. And who is the fifth player on your list as far as who the Jaguars should target at pick 17?
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's no change here, if my memory serves me well. Again, when you're a Jags fan, like your memory takes a lot of damage over the years, right, phil, but if my memory serves me well, this is still the number five guy I had. Before it was Brian Thomas, who is a guy you know like. Admittedly, when I first watched the film on him, you know I wasn't like super high on them. And then I went into a conference call with Daniel Jeremiah about a month ago and you know I asked him this was before free agency started and I asked him Baron, the Jaguars still keep Calvin Ridley, even if they were to keep him, which they didn't, but if they were to keep him, you know who are some flanker or, excuse me, some split in receivers out there who could help the Jacksonville Jaguars, and one of the guys that came to mind for DJ was Brian Thomas and he actually kind of praised him, saying like he can do a lot of everything he can help you from split in slot, you know, flanker position. He said he's a guy that he quote unquote views as a guy that will give you death by the slot fade. Quote, unquote is how you put it. I might have like, butchered it a little bit, but it was along the lines of that's what he said about him about death by slot phase. So this is a guy that he's right. When I watched the film on him, he did a lot of slot phase and where he was very, very successful at that. But that being said, though, the reason why Brian Thomas is starting to grow on me a little bit is because of what DJ said about the versatility. Right, and that's something that Jaguars need.
Speaker 2:From the standpoint of we saw last year they weren't healthy at the receiver position. They dearly miss Christian Kirk and you know a lot of people argue that's one of the reasons they weren't able to go to the playoffs, which you know me, I'm. I'm the type that will say no excuses, you should have had the depth to take care of that. I mean, I know replacing Christian Kirk is easier said than done, but injuries never stopped the Kansas City Chiefs. Injuries never stopped the Baltimore Ravens. Injuries never stopped the Buffalo Bills from getting done, get from them getting done what they need to get done and get into the postseason. But, that being said, yeah, we saw a lot of injuries Right season. But that being said, yeah, we saw a lot of injuries right. So this young man and Brian Thomas can help us from the perspective of one week where you have an injury, where Zay Jones was a guy that he was in and out of the lineup due to injury with his knee.
Speaker 2:You can have him line up at some split end in Zay Jones' places. Zay Jones is out for a game, Christian Kirk is out for a game. You can have him go in the slot, which is where DJ praised him the most for playing it. You can have him go to flanker if you want him to go to flanker, and of course we got Gabe Davis as well, so that's an addition to consider in all of this too. But his versatility would help this Jacksonville Jaguars receiving unit that was beat up last year, and you know he can just help you from different spots, depending on not only the team you play but the injury situation, which that's significant, Especially for, you know, a young team like the Jacksonville Jaguars who offense.
Speaker 1:We've seen sputter at times last year when you know this receiver was missing or that receiver was missing yeah, and I think, of the receivers that have been mocked to us, he's the one that I know the least amount about, other than you know what you've told me about him, jay, and you know when you mentioned the, the conference call, I will say, as far as Brian Thomas Jr, mike tannenbaum did put out a mock draft yesterday and that is who he has slotted to the jaguars at pick number 17. So, um, you know there is another receiver on this list to give you guys a little bit of a teaser, but jy brian thomas jr, over you know a different receiver that will be available, probably somewhere around here, leaving the other person we have on the list out of it. So why him over some of the other guys?
Speaker 2:Because he feels like the most realistic, one of the more realistic receivers to be there when they pick. We all know Rome isn't going to be there and we probably will have to give up serious compensation to get him. Now, look, if Rome makes it to double digits, to 10 or something, you start working the lines, please. You know, I mean, I guess it takes two to tango. So you know you need somebody to work with you, but by all means start calling up and seeing if you can get up there and get him right. But he won't get him right.
Speaker 2:Um, but he won't be there. Right, marvin jr won't be there, of course. Um, he's probably going top three. You know something like that. Um, so you know, like you have to start looking at the receivers after those two and you know neighbors is another one won't be there, maybe top 10, top 12, somewhere in there. Um, you have to start looking at that tier below them, those three, which would be brian thomas jr the other guy got on this, in which you all already probably know who that is, ladies and gentlemen, listen at home him and um, franklin from oregon, and you know these other guys that are in that tier below them those are the ones that jaguar is realistically and you've kind of fallen off of the the xavier leggett train as well.
Speaker 1:Right, is that still the case?
Speaker 2:I know that was like a week or so ago you know, I'm glad you mentioned that too, and no, no, I haven't, because you know we're hearing whisperings and we were kind of going to touch on this later, but let's go ahead and talk about it now. You're hearing whisperings of what the Jaguars could do at 17 and what makes the most sense, and it does make sense that the Jaguars would take a cornerback at 17. That's a Trent Baalke-like thing to do, right? He drafted Tyson Campbell pretty high almost in the first round, right? So that makes sense, right? So if that's going to be the case and I will still go receiver with the 17 overall pick, but I don't think any of us should be mad with them going with cornerback there either but if that's going to be the case, then you have to start looking at second round graded receivers. Right, phil, you got to start looking at third round graded receivers. Maybe fourth round graded guys, which a fourth rounder probably can't help you that much. If you need a starting caliber receiver but I mean, I mean Puka Nakua you can find gems, but that's not easy, especially for Trent Baalke. But you have to look at, you know, the second and third rounds.
Speaker 2:And yeah, xavier Leguette wow, the knock on him is when he came to the combine he didn't measure as people thought he. And it's crazy because you look at him on TV he kind of looked like DK Metcalf. And then he comes to the senior bowling he's what like six one and measured at the senior bowl in the combine and it's like okay, and then I think his hands measured a little bit lower than people were expecting. But still, as you know and Phil says this a lot too this is something that I've kind of put on Phil for many, many years and now he understands it, he gets it. But Phil talks about this a lot, he says this a lot in the podcast.
Speaker 2:The film doesn't lie and that's what I keep going back to. Leggett plays like a big receiver yeah, he's not as big as I thought he was and he didn't measure like I thought he would. But the film I mean this guy was up there snagging high and high pointing 50-50 balls on Georgia. You know he just showed up often on film when you, you know, when the team needed him the most and against high level competition, and you can't dispute that kind of stuff. You know the film will tell all. So, while I wish he would have measured like I thought he would you still. You know he's still a guy that I'm high on for the simple fact that we might not begin a receiver in the first round. And you know, leggett checks a lot of those boxes outside of measurables, right, he checks a lot of those boxes that the Jacksonville Jaguars need on this receiving core, despite the measurable issues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we'll certainly mention some DBs here very, very shortly. But but yeah, good to know, just wanted to see where you were kind of uh feeling as far as that. You know, I know you had kind of gone a little bit back and forth and uh, as far as uh as him as a prospect and, uh, you know, wide receiver, as we'll see here in just a moment, it's definitely going to be a position of interest for for us and hopefully the jaguars. But j let's get into number four. Who do you have fourth on your list as far as who the Jaguars should and could target at 17?
Speaker 2:yeah, I went with Byron Murphy, a guy that you would know a lot of and I know, since we've added Eric Armstead and what have you, but still, for me, I mean like, the more pass rushes, the better, right. So he's one that feels like he'll realistically be there. You're going to hear us say that a lot here. He's one of the ones that feel like he would realistically be there to help this team. And I mean, look, man, one thing that we learned from the 2017 team is they just kept that offseason. It felt like they just kept piling on to what they already had, right, and it gave us the best defense we ever seen in Jacksonville Jaguars history. Why not pile on to what we have with Armstead? And Armstead is up there in age Right. We, you know, 30 years old, coming off. I think of meniscus situation as well, not saying that he's going to drop off or anything like that, but you know, these are things you have to think about and things that a GM should think about, and you know, that being said, man, you got somebody that can really, really help this pass rush. I think you know Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker and Armstead and Roy Robertson Harrison. They certainly wouldn't mind this young man joining them.
Speaker 2:As you know, people already low key. You know nobody's really put a ranking out there right now, but you can see it in the tea leaves and you can see it in the tweets. People think the Jaguars are going to have you know and we'll start seeing it come into fruition and seeing people come out and actually say it and not hint at it. But people think the Jaguars could have like a top 10 pass rushing group, if not better, right Between Walker getting better a year another year under his belt, eric Armstead, who's, as me and Phil mentioned, one of the better pass rushers in the interior, that is, in the league period, pass rushes in the interior, that is, in the league period. And Josh Allen, who had 17 sacks, who he shouldn't have 17 sacks this year with the growth of Walker and Armstead helping him, but 17 sacks last year, adding Murphy into that mix man.
Speaker 2:To me I get real excited thinking about it while not as high, I'm not as high on that happening as opposed to us getting a receiver or maybe a cornerback, where we, you know, have a little bit bigger of a need there, it still is pretty exciting and it do. It does remind me of a situation that could be more like the Saxonville situation, where again, we just added on to what we already had. We already had situation where, again, we just added on to what we already had. We already had who was it? Marcel Darius, we already had him in place.
Speaker 2:We already had some guys like, I think, malik Jackson in place and they just added Calais to the mix. They added Boye to the mix, who you know, that's not a pass rusher, but somebody who helped against the pass. They helped, you know. They added Barry Church into the situation and before you knew it, this team had a defense with six pro bowlers on it, like straight up, mostly blue chippers on the team. And you know, taking Murphy would kind of remind me of a situation like that. And if Balky does it or not, you know that's to be determined. I don't know if he feels like that's necessary after getting the first round pick in Armstead that he drafted in San Francisco, but if he, if he pulled the trigger, I know Phil certainly would be happy with that move as a Texas fan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, I mean you're talking about a guy that was just an absolute disruptor, a guy that's that was all over the place, and you know he's got a good, solid build, getting penetration off the snap, really, really, really good there. And obviously you know a guy that I'm very, very familiar with and, like they did in 2017, there's no reason not to just continue to add pieces to a defense that you think is already going to be very good. Now, listen, I know maybe some people are concerned about Tyson Campbell's season. Is he going to have a bounce back year? But I mean, you bring in Darby, you expect Antonio Johnson to make a big leap, andre Sissico continuing to get better, and then obviously we want them to address defensive back. If it's not going to be in the first round, certainly within the first few rounds. Like you said, I would be all, I would be over the moon with this selection A guy, an incredibly high motor and somebody that so many defenses had trouble slowing down. So, yeah, it really is reminiscent of, could be reminiscent of the Malik Jackson and Marcel Darius pairing. When you're talking about Eric Armstead Byron Murphy, you bring him into a veteran locker room too when it comes to that defense and hopefully a more cohesive unit on defense as well.
Speaker 1:Jay, we didn't even talk about this in the beginning of the hour or at the beginning of the show, and I'll deviate here a little bit. I don't know if you've seen it, but obviously we saw the clip of DJ Chark talking about the defense beef in 2018. Um, did you see Jalen Ramsey kind of came out on on? Well, he did not. Kind of he did come out on Twitter and basically said that, you know, basically called out DJ saying what he was mentioning was basically cap. Did you see Jalen Ramsey on Twitter?
Speaker 2:no, I did not, man, but you know, we talked about that during the 2017 season, man, it felt like it was just. It wasn't just even though we we were on Tom Coughlin a lot and Dave Caldwell a lot, as we repeated that year, it wasn't just Tom Coughlin and Dave Caldwell, it just it wasn't. It didn't feel like it was just executives, right, it felt like it was a mix of personalities. In that locker room too, man. And you know, I mean, pete Prisco came out to say, remember, he wrote the article saying that they used to, you know, call Calais names and all of that and like fuss with Calais or something along those lines.
Speaker 2:And I could just remember reading that and being like I've seen beats with executives, right, players and executives. I've seen beats between players and players on other teams but uh, internal beef, man, it sounds insane, but that's probably what was going on, man, that's probably what was going on. And for jaylen, to, you know, come out and say it was cap man, I don't don't know if I believe Jalen on this one man. I don't know if I, why would Chark go there? You know, what would he have to feel about there or stretch the truth about there? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dj Chark's got nothing to gain telling Marlon Humphrey that story and you could see it. You could see things falling apart in 2018, like I said, not just with the front office, but with that team in general. You know and I think aj boye has spoken on that in the past too I mean imagine treating somebody like calais campbell with that type of disrespect, like I know like we talk about and a lot of people talked about how like they miss the defense, having like a little bit of attitude about, and a lot of people talked about how like they missed the defense, having like a little bit of attitude and and, uh, you know, kind of a presence about them. But not like that, not like where your, your defense is is literally like is arguing with each other. You know what I mean. You don't want to argue internally, you want to argue with the other team.
Speaker 1:So I just wanted to mention that really quick because again it was a uh, it was just funny that jalen, kind of um, totally disregarded that, as if he was not part of the problem, and I'm sure he has matured and made himself a better person and a teammate and a player. Oh, definitely, as a player, he's just gotten better over time. Uh, but you were part of the problem here, buddy. And listen, I still I am still a Jalen Ramsey supporter and wish that he was still here and retire to Jacksonville Jaguar, and I would have welcomed him back with open arms. I think it was last offseason. That was kind of like floating about before he went to Miami or was traded to Miami. But come on, jalen, you know, I think it's we're far enough removed from that for you to have a little accountability. I think is what I'm trying to say. Go ahead, jay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, man. Like we didn't want him to leave, man, me and you were devastated. Like we were recording and when we heard that man wanted to trade, we had to stop recording, collect ourselves and make another new podcast, because Jay Lorenzo wanted to be traded and we did not want to see who we thought was the face of the franchise and still could be. We just couldn't fathom a locker room without him. So, yeah, you're right, man, like when he was here, man, we loved him to death. We wanted him to come back. Last year, we wanted him. You know, we wanted Yan to come back year, we wanted him. You know, we wanted yan to come back right when we were looking for pass rush help and you know, we didn't know what we had in trayvon and then what on, so on and so forth. So, yeah, man, like I agree with you. Man, like we are big fans of that 2017 defense, but, but we all know, man, that some things could have been done better internally with them.
Speaker 2:We all know that Jalen wasn't necessarily perfect off the field in terms of you know the situations, you know that brood off the fields and beefing with Tom Coughlin which a lot of which you know, we blame Tom Coughlin for too which you can go back in the past and listen to those episodes. But, yeah, man, it's it up here and act like everything was all peachy. You know when we can see it is just his cap, man, that's the cap right there. But look, man, he went on, got him some Super Bowl rings, or what a Super Bowl ring at least. And that's in the past. Now, man, we're moving on to building this new Saxonville defense with, perhaps, maybe, byron Murphy and some others.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Well, I just wanted to bring that up because, yeah, again, come on, jalen, we, we all saw it, and DJ Chark saw it better than we did because he was there. So, uh, but jay, let's move into the. The next person, the next player on the list. Uh, who do you have at number three?
Speaker 2:um, as far as your targets for the jaguars, I picked number 17 yeah, I have queen and mitchell there from toledo and you know, I know a lot of people will be like you know just well, you know what. I haven't seen a lot of this on Twitter and social media. A lot of people aren't looking at the school and judging him by that, which is good, but there are, you know, some casuals probably will look at the school Toledo and be like, oh, you know, like what's the hype around this guy? But I mean, look, man, he played some fierce competition there, played Ohio, played some others, and he's a guy I watched a lot of film on. I actually got some tweets up for him or about him and what I saw from him on film a few weeks ago or maybe last month. But yeah, man, I mean he's a young man that closes extremely well when the ball is out of the quarterback hand, closes extremely well when the ball is out of the quarterback hand. He closes on the receiver well, especially with shorter routes. Man, he has great reaction and great suddenness and he's just a guy, that man, every time you had a question about him he answered it. You harp about him coming from Toledo, he goes to the senior bowl and he, he sticks with the big boys, he becomes one of the standouts at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2:We all seen the videos of him going one-on-one with the receivers that were there Ricky Pearsall and company all of those receivers. We saw him doing one-to-ones and one-on-ones with them. Sometimes they were winning against him. Sometimes he answered the call back. That's what you like to see. They were winning against him. Sometimes he answered the call back. That's what you like to see. You like to see continuous growth in these all-star games that happen after the.
Speaker 2:The player's career, right, and we just saw him take another step there. So he's a guy, man. I'd be ecstatic to have man love his reaction time. He played a lot of quarters. You know it was man. In a way it was like off playing off man. So if that's what they're going to do with this new defense under Ryan Nielsen which you know Ryan Nielsen was heavily a man guy in Atlanta then you know he's even more of a better fit from him, of course.
Speaker 2:Like one thing I noticed, you know he even more of a better fit from him, of course. Like one thing I noticed you know he didn't tackle that great, but a lot of cornerbacks. That's not named Jalen Ramsey. Don't tackle great, right, that's not a uncommon thing, right? And and you know I know a lot of people say this like, hey, we got Ronald Darby, you know how does he impact things.
Speaker 2:And I like the Darby pickup, you know, and he's a guy that you know, as I told you and Boogie in the thread. I thought the Darby pickup, you know, and he's a guy that you know, as I told you in Boogie in the Thread, I thought Ronald Darby was out of the league. But when I went back and watched his film I was like not only is he in the league, he's still pretty good. But the thing with Ronald Darby is he's been battling injuries throughout his career. He's 30 as well. So that's that taboo number, as Phil liked to put it, you know. So cornerback should not be off the table at 17, and you can argue that Quinnian Mitchell might not be there at 17, therefore making him a very good pick if he is there and he is the selection for the Jacksonville Jaguars. But I like a lot about this kid man. They put a like a rendering of him until. I think it was the Draft Network or somebody that put it.
Speaker 2:I can't remember. Somebody put it out there and I was like he looks good. Until he had on Rasheem Mathis's number and I was like you know what, normally that would be something to be mad about. Like why did this kid have on Mathis's number? But he looks like he would belong on this Jacksonville Jaguars defense and would fit right in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the rise of Quinion Mitchell has been insane and that's why I agree with you, jay. I think he's one of the guys. If we were to rank the guys on our list that will not be there at 17, as far as the least likely to be there, he might be number two just because of how far up he has gone on people's boards and on the radar. And you know, I wouldn't, I would be surprised if he gets past pick number 15, unless they and that's the Colts unless they take somebody else that is on our list that we'll talk about here in just a moment.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, just seeing his traits and, you know, seeing his game as a prospect, the more and more that I've looked into him and you know seen some tape over on on social media, this guy and uh, like you said, it's nice to see that him going to a smaller school has not downplayed his ability, uh, with throughout, you know, draft twitter, jaguar, twitter, wherever it may be. So I think this guy is going to be solid. I definitely do not want to see him going to indianapolis. So we'll see how that plays out. Um, and and if that is the pick of 17, and I definitely would, uh would not be upset about that, jay, let's get into the uh, the top two here, and let's go back to another guy that I am familiar with, uh, as far as uh, the next person on this list as who the Jaguars could be targeting or should be targeting at pick 17.
Speaker 2:As we at pick 17, as we told the people many, many episodes ago, this was going to be a AD Mitchell podcast and we have stuck to that, even though we haven't recorded as many episodes this offseason as we would like, but we've stuck to that through the few episodes that we've done this offseason. And AD Mitchell, surprisingly, isn't number one, right, we'll get into number one a little bit, but I have him as number two and me and you talked about him, right, phil. I brought up why I'm so high on AD Mitchell and you know, it's a lot of people, like it's a lot of people that want him on Jack's Twitter, and then it's something that's questioning his ability, right, and that's that's more than fine, and that's more than fine and that's more than fair. That's what america's all about is having opinions, right, whether it's good or bad. So, that being said, with ad mitchell, you know the reason I'm super high on him and he, for this reason, he may be number he, you know, I should maybe put him number one on this list, but I was telling Phil what it is with him, right, and it's just the simple fact that, while his stats aren't insane, he just showed up in big moments every time he was called upon For crying out loud. He has a touchdown in every postseason game. He has been in In every postseason game. That has been in in every postseason game that he's been in, whether it's Georgia or Texas, and I think he's been in six or four. So that alone tells you that he shows up when his quarterback needs him the most. That's what the Jacksonville Jaguars need, right.
Speaker 2:All of these people that have criticized Jamal Agnew for his fumble against the Chiefs, right, and just not being there in a team in a moment where the team needed him the most and where Trevor Lawrence needed him the most. And all of these people we see the videos of you know they made of Calvin Ridley and all of the drops he had last year. Of you know they made of Calvin Ridley and all of the drops he had last year clutch moments. Right For everybody to admit that the Jaguars need somebody to show up for Trevor Lawrence and Trevor Lawrence needs to step up himself too, but he needs somebody to step up to for him from a receiver's perspective and make the big plays that need to be made. That is everything that AD Mitchell represents. He's a guy that has one of the lowest drop rates of the prospects that's entering a draft.
Speaker 2:I think I saw it was like 1.8 or something like that, something below two, which is nuts. It's insane that you know he catches everything that almost comes to him, right, and you know, I just that that big playmaking ability is what this receiving core needs. Right, I was telling phil, is when you have an alpha that has that ability, that trickles down even to players that's older than you, to the veterans. Right, they see ad out there catching everything that Trevor Lawrence throws and all of a sudden Christian Kirk doesn't want to drop balls at practice and Zay Jones don't want to drop balls at practice. It'll make them better from a perspective of seeing this rookie, this rookie out there, like outclassing us from a you know what I'm saying From a perspective of not dropping the ball. That's what this team needs to get them over the hump.
Speaker 2:That's what Doug Peterson, peter or you know, when you look at his offenses of the past, you can argue. Maybe even when he was with Philly he didn't really have a guy like AD as well in terms of big playmaking ability. He had a variety of guys there, but he's never really had that one guy that you can look at every time and be like we need him and he's going to show up for us and he's going to give us a touchdown in this postseason game or in this clutch regular season moment. We can guarantee that he's going to come down with the ball and give us what we need. So for that reason I went with AD Mitchell. We'll see how high the Jags are on him and time will tell on that, but he would be phenomenal for this offense that plays young and have a lot of you know, brain farts. That has sputtered at times and it has a press Taylor calling plays for him too. You know that's been an issue too. It would be phenomenal to help this, this offense, in in many, many ways.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this is my number one selection. If you know, as far as, as my list, I'd probably flip flop one and two that we have here. But, yeah, I mean, and there's this discourse now that is floating around um again to bring up draft twitter that you know he had disappeared at points. And listen, I've been watching quinn ewers play quarterback for a few years now and you know ad mitchell can't throw the ball to himself, but is he open a lot more than he gets the ball? You're damn right, he is.
Speaker 1:So, jay, I would like to kind of hear your opinion on that discourse that is floating around as far as him maybe taking plays off or not always been fully involved, because I'm not buying into that Again, having watched Quinn Ewers make some questionable decisions here in the last few years. I'm not putting that on AD Mitchell, like you said, he is constantly showing up in the biggest moments and a guy that has number one wide receiver potential and you know a lot of draft experts have him also as their fourth receiver outside of that big three that a lot of people are talking about. So you know, what is your opinion on kind of that narrative that is out there about AD Mitchell, either taking plays off or disappearing altogether now, the taking plays off thing.
Speaker 2:I did see that, admittedly, on film. It's times where the ball is, you know, it may not be anywhere near him and it's like AD. Okay, man, like I would like to see a little bit more effort out of you on that play. Now, going back to what you were saying about Quinn, yours now, yeah, man, like you remember, you, you know we talked about it in the text thread and I think it was Stodge that mentioned it. Shout outs to him.
Speaker 2:Man, when you look at that Texas team, when Georgia got eliminated from being able to go to the playoffs, the talent level that that Texas team had should have been enough to win them a national even over Alabama, right, and you know them, a national even over Alabama, right. And you know from the things you know, you watch that, uh, texas game a little bit more than I did, but just from you know what you were telling me. You agree, you know, and, and with us being in cohesion with that, when you have the on defense and you have Trevondre Sweat on defense and you have AD Mitchell and you have Xavier Worthy, who is the fastest receiver in combine history, at least in recent times, right, you have all of this and you have some pretty respectable other skilled threats on that team. You got to look somewhere else, man, and say like what's the issue? Right, and you can't help but come to the most premium position there is man and that's quarterback. So yeah, I mean I haven't seen this extensive amount of quinn ewers, aside from, in, you know, the ad mD Mitchell film and the Xavier Worthy film that I watched.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man, like I don't feel like he's the guy that Texas needed him to be and that offense needed him to be. So yeah, I mean I agree, man, with you on that. But yeah, in terms of the plays off thing of the plays, often every prospect has pros and cons yeah, I would love to see him show a little bit more urgency at times. Right, I always say you know you could tell a lot by a receiver sometimes when you watch them, when they don't even have the ball, that'll tell you a lot too. And that's one area where you know I've seen 80 and it's like OK, man, yeah, I want to see some more effort out of you, but still, that won't stop me from taking 80 Mitchell first overall, because him and Trevor Lawrence would make this Jacksonville Jaguars offense one of the most dangerous in football ball?
Speaker 1:yeah, absolutely, I had that a meme I posted the other day. Uh, after the um, I think it was. Who was it that's? Uh, the texans signing. Uh, cj henderson, um, you know, talking about how trev will be, um, pretty excited to see ad mitchell lined up against cj henderson.
Speaker 1:Listen, no disrespect to cj, but hey, ball don't lie right with the tape doesn lie, just like we said a few moments ago. But, jay, actually maybe it is good that we did this. You know, we were a couple weeks removed from doing this the first time because our number one prospect, you know, we put him here on this list and we stated at the time that it's likely that he is not going to be there. Well, that narrative has kind of changed a little bit just because of you know, we're obviously throughout the draft process, you're going to see players rise and fall. I think this is also helped by the fact that there's probably a fourth quarterback that's going to be going within the first 15 picks, for sure, where JJ McCarthy has now moved his way into this discussion, where JJ McCarthy has now moved his way into this discussion, and you know that may result in this player being available at 17, where originally we thought there was little to no chance for him to be here.
Speaker 2:So who is number one on your list as far as players that the Jaguars should target at pick 17? Terry and Arnold man, if he's there, you got a lot to think about. You know as much as I love AD, like we know Terry and Arnold shouldn't be there, right, but, as you said, some different circumstances could happen in front of us with the quarterbacks and what have you and we've seen it many, many times like. One thing I don't want Jack's Twitter to ever say is like oh, this person might not be there, or that person might not be there. We have witnessed this in history where people that had no business being there for us were there. Right, jalen Ramsey had no business falling to us. Josh Allen, who just got a 17 sacks, had no business being there. We stole him, basically.
Speaker 2:So it stuff happens in the draft where you know people get pushed back and it's a quarterback needy league, right, we see that, and those teams in the front are in the front for a reason because many of them need quarterbacks and you know some of them will take quarterbacks that maybe shouldn't be drafted in the top 10, or they might go for another premium player that maybe shouldn't be drafted in the top 10 or they might go for another premium player that maybe shouldn't be drafted in the top 10. And that's going to push somebody back. You know another conversation we'll have on another day. You know the thought has crossed our mind that maybe Brock Bowers could fall to the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now they don't need a tight end, but you look at a team like the Baltimore Ravens who literally take the best available player all the time, not the best available needed player. It's a difference.
Speaker 2:Folks, people, some teams will say, yeah, let's take the best available player and what they mean is let's take the best available player that we need. But the Ravens really do believe it's just getting the best available player. For the most part that's just on their draft board period needed or not, and we've seen where that has gotten them. So going back to Arnold man I mean talking about a young man who is he matches the competitiveness of you know we just talked about losing a great cornerback here in Jacksonville. He matches the competitiveness of Jalen Ramsey and also he's a guy that you can't help but love off the field too, and we've seen all of the interviews and what have you?
Speaker 2:We talk about this all the time, man. It's not only about bringing great players into this city, but also bringing great role models into the city, and he would be just that. You know, we've seen the video of him, I think in his mom, and then what have you? And yeah, he's a guy that, if he's there, man, you absolutely have to take. Him was a baller for Alabama and Nick Saban Um, I know a lot of people ain't too happy with Nick Saban as of late, but that's another story for another time.
Speaker 2:But there's no doubt that, um, you know, being in alabama did help him a lot in terms of seeing fierce competition, seeing going through fierce practices. You know, you guys have heard me talk about these practices that kirby smart and nick saving have. Man, this dude's already ready for the lead coming out of the. You know, jump right out of the gate. I would love to have him and insert him into this defense, especially with our secondary, not necessarily being a secondary that you look at and say, ah, they're not that great, but a secondary that needs alphas more.
Speaker 2:So we saw Tyson Campbell be that for one point in time and then last year, which he was probably hurt a little bit, he wasn't that. So we haven't yet to see that guy In terms of the secondary to lead them, like Jalen Ramsey did, like AJ Boye did. We have yet to have that guy. And Terry and Arnold is that guy for them. Man, I love this kid man, love the length, all of that. And, yeah, if he's there which, as we said, we think he could be there, but in all probability he won't it feels more along the lines of 40, 60, right, 40 being the percentage that he would be there, 60 being the percentage that he won't be there. But if he is there, can't be mad with them taking him being the percentage that he won't be there.
Speaker 1:But if he is there, can't be mad with them taking him. I got a question for you because, again, I do think he is the most talented guy on our list and also you know just as far as, like you mentioned, I mean the the community impact bringing in Terry and Arnold when you're trying to establish this new identity for the Jacksonville Jaguars. You know you got the quarterback. You hope that you have the head coach. At what point? Again, I think, from what I've seen from Colts Twitter, from the people that we follow, db seems to be the route that they are going to target at pick 15. At what point do you think, when it gets to pick 12, pick 13, pick 14, whether it be Quinnian Mitchell, whether it be Terry and Arnold, if you have targeted one of those guys as your guy, are you trying to go and jump Indy for one of those players, whether it be Arnold or Mitchell, and try and get ahead of Indy?
Speaker 2:Yes you're doing. Here's why, phil that's a good question you jump indie because you already you're. We're witnessing the division is gaining ground on this faster than Trent Baalke thought not faster than I thought, but faster than Trent Baalke thought and to let them get somebody at a premium position and also not, it'll be a double whammy. Not Not only would they do that and it would help them from the perspective of our wide receiver core is weakened it's not where it was because their mind is Calvin Ridley but also from the perspective of, like I said, them getting a premium player to boost their roster. That probably isn't as far behind us as people think. Let's not forget that. I know a lot of people are putting a lot on this plate, anthony Richardson, but he didn't. You know, he didn't finish the season and maybe, if he did, they get more wins than they had. So, yes, you jumped them from the perspective.
Speaker 2:Because that roster if some people say that roster is better than our roster, some people say our roster is better, our roster, some people say our roster is better, but it's too close to call and if they are a worse roster than us, they're gaining ground on us fast. Yes, you go there. You intercept that from happening and you know it shouldn't cost if Arnold falls. You know it shouldn't cost a crazy amount of compensation. You know we're talking about like jumping out of the wet field, like 13, 14, something like that, so it shouldn't cost something insane. Yeah, you take that, you take that chance, you try and move up If the Colts aren't trying to move up themselves. That's another thing. I mean, you know, maybe, maybe they're thinking the same thing, but yes, you do, because the rosters in this division are too close in terms of which roster is better than the other, in terms of that, gauging it from that perspective, yeah, indy's a lot closer than people want to admit.
Speaker 1:And then we already know what's going on in Houston. I do believe that Houston I mean right now, obviously, and for good reason, houston is the darling of the NFL. You know because of the quarterback, because of the head coach, and you know because of Willie Anderson as well, and you know they've earned that I do expect them to take a little bit of a step back just because that sophomore year and you know, people now get a whole year's worth of film on you. We know how that goes. We've seen it here in Jacksonville. We've seen it here in Jacksonville. We've seen that go down, but Houston's still going to be right there. So, yeah, I wouldn't be upset with them.
Speaker 1:As far as jumping in front of Indy, I'll say this you did mention Brock Bowers. We have seen him kind of drop in some mock drafts as well. Is there a guy that is expected to go, say, within the top 10 and all of a sudden doesn't go in the top 10.? Or you're getting on the fringe of 10. Pick 8, pick 9, pick 10. And you see Rome Adunze there, or you see whatever player it is you have decided we don't have a shot at that guy. Is there a guy that obviously isn't know isn't in our list Because we wanted this list to be, you know, realistic guys?
Speaker 1:You know we could easily put all right number one on the list Marvin Harrison Jr. You know it would have been easy to do that. That's not what we did here. Is there a guy because it happens every year that falls a little bit outside of the top 10 that you have identified? Yeah, I would be okay with them going up and getting him Malik Neighbors, roma Dunze, brock Bowers, whoever it may be. Is there a guy like that that you would be okay with again them trading up and targeting?
Speaker 2:No, we pretty much named him. And Brock Bowers now, I'm not trading up for Brock Bowers, he's more of a guy. If he's there for us, maybe you take him, but trading up for him, nah, that's a little too much. But, yeah, we, we pretty much mentioned them.
Speaker 2:Um, romo Dunzey and Malik Neighbors the, the lineman, the offensive lineman don't make a ton of sense because Because where do you put them? Right, you just paid Ezra Cleveland pretty good money to be your left guard. Brandon, sure, if you don't keep somebody that age around unless you have a plan to, you know, start them. So it's not one of them. Situations where you could be like, oh, we could just move the tackle that we draft to guard, like, so none of the tackles that could fall makes sense. Um, that's really the only other position you could really look at and say, like, aside from receiver and cornerback, that would kind of make some sense. So no, I mean, we, we mentioned them, and we mentioned the cornerbacks and the receivers that are, you know, fringe top 10 picks for a reason because those are the ones that make sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the guy that I've seen on social media as far as the Jaguars trading up into the top 10 is Roma Dunze. I would definitely be okay with that. Certainly watched him cook Texas in the college football playoff. But yeah, depending on the guy and obviously the draft capital that you would have to give up, you know there are certainly some names there, but those are the five players that we have identified, jay, I do. Just before we wrap up, we want to throw out some names here, one of them being Chop Robinson, you know, did he get any consideration? As far as edge rusher, you know, making life a little bit easier for Josh Allen, for Trayvon Walker Is that a name that you know maybe found himself on the outside looking in? And then there's also a lot of narrative right now about them targeting one of those offensive linemen like you just mentioned. You know, as far as an Amarius Mims a guy like that, the player out of Oregon State, fuaga Any of those guys get any consideration here to? Uh, to make the top five here today?
Speaker 2:uh, I mean Chott Robinson kind of makes sense, but one of the ones that that keeps coming to mind for me, because he's so versatile, right, and he can kind of help him in a variety of ways, it's not Chott Robinson but Darius Robinson and he's kind of the ultimate bulky pick and he's actually a pretty good player too, from Missouri and he's a young man that you know. He can play from the edge, he can play from the interior. I see a lot of mock drafts sending him to the Lions, which that's scary to think about, but Dan Campbell would absolutely love that. But yeah, you're talking about a young man that currently is 296 and 6'5", but he has played some edge, he has played from the interior. That's probably what the Jaguars need too, from the perspective of just that chest piece to move around the defense. So he's one that comes to mind.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you necessarily have to trade up to get him or take him at 17, but if you trade back for some reason and a lot of your options aren't there, maybe that's the direction to go. But he's the one that comes to mind because I can just see Trent Baalke really loving him and, like you say, you know Chop Robinson is another one, but from the film I have seen I have to watch some more film on Chop he really I don't think he moved around a lot, but again, I have to watch some film on him. But I do. That's the guy to watch is Darius Robinson from Missouri to watch is Darius Robinson from Missouri.
Speaker 1:And for Boogie and for our Florida State fans. Keon Coleman what's your read on him? Because I am outside of the Keon Coleman camp and I don't know if that's just because of injury or just Florida State bias. I don't know what it is. But Keon Coleman, what's the read on on him? How are you feeling?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm good on Coleman, I don't. He's not a prospect that I would say I hate. But I don't know, man, it was too many balls that when I watched him on film that hit him in the hands. That should have been caught. And I mean a lot of people will scare a lot of people. Is the 40 time right? But the 40 time isn't that big of a deal.
Speaker 2:When you look at you, you know his ability to generate speed, which they kind of did some first gen stats type of stuff for him at the combine when he was in the gauntlet drill of how fast he generated speed and he hit like the fastest top speed. And people kind of compare the situation to Puka Nakua, right, who might not necessarily have the eye popping 40, but when you like look at the numbers and it's like, okay, you know, this guy's a little faster than we thought. And for those who you like that are probably scratching your head like what the gauntlet drill is, that's when the receiver runs down the middle of the field on one of the markers and they catch a ball from a different direction each time, from a quarterback. Basically that's what that is. But no, I'm good on coleman. I mean, like you know, if you can't get a guy in the first round and you're in the second round, you know maybe you get them then.
Speaker 2:But again, man, I just didn't like the fact that the tapes that I watched there were some balls that hit him in the hand, that I mean they weren't perfect or anything like that, but they were certainly catchable and for me we I don't think we need another receiver with drop potential, drop issues. Now, look, we've seen people clear that up too, like Evan Ingram, so that's something to keep in mind here. Again, it wasn't an asinine amount of drops for him, but it was about two or three. I saw where it's like ah nah, man, you got to bring that in for me. And again, that's kind of why I like AD, the low drop rate. Right Again, going back to what I was saying, we need somebody who will elevate this receiving core and make the veterans like a Christian Curry, like Zay Jones. You know, look at this player and be like this kid ain't dropping nothing, like I got to match that energy type of thing, and I don't know if Keon Coleman is the guy that could do that.
Speaker 1:There you go, florida State fans. Boogie will never listen to this episode, but he can't complain if, uh, if we, uh, if he brings it up. This just wanted to talk about that here and see how you, how you felt. But yeah, guys, that's it. Uh, you know, that's our list. What do you think?
Speaker 1:You know, who do you have identified as far as players you'd like to see the jaguars target? You know, one thing we know for sure, jay, is that there is going to be a really good player available to them at pick 17. They're going to have their options. Now, the other thing is do we trust Trent Bulkey to identify the correct player in the first round, typically? Yeah, you know we have been able to trust him on that, but overall, you know, we will certainly see what happens. Jay, anything else you want to mention before we wrap up this week's episode and start focusing on the next one? We have a whole list of guests that we want to start bringing on as we lead up to the draft. But anything else you want to mention on this episode before we get out of here?
Speaker 2:Nope, I'm good man, Just glad to join you again, talk some draft Again. These kind of conversations excite me. Man Can't wait to have more of these conversations with you and our guests. I got to share the guest list with you, so hopefully we can get that going, man. But again, the most exciting time for the Touchdown Jaguars podcast in terms of content is now for us and, yeah, man can't wait to get back at it next week.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, guys. Well, just as a reminder, everything you need is in the link tree link of the show notes of this episode. You'll find the website, our social media pages, as well as that link to download the SeatGeek app. Use that promo code Touchdown Jaguars. Nfl Draft is fast approaching, so make sure you stick with us for everything that you guys need to know. Folks, that is my co-host, james johnson. I am phil smith, and do not forget to tune in to touchdown jaguars for every jaguar touchdown and we will see you next time.