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Touchdown Jaguars!
Touchdown Jaguars!
Episode 85: Stadium of the Future Plans Revealed and the 2024 Schedule Release!
Unlock the future of the Jacksonville Jaguars with us, Phil Smith and James Johnson, as we analyze the team's post-draft direction and the implications of the city's massive Stadium of the Future project. No mere spectators to the unfolding drama, we've traced these developments alongside our own journeys as hosts. Our discussion ventures through the strategic roster moves, like the signing of Terrell Edmonds, to the potential need for a temporary relocation—every angle examined with the insight only die-hard fans can provide.
Feel the thrill as we reminisce about the NCAA College Football series and its long-awaited return, stirring a cocktail of anticipation and caution. We dissect the potential for gameplay innovation, drawing parallels with Madden and voicing our concerns over the pitfalls of microtransactions. But it's not all serious strategy; we also celebrate the Jaguars' creative X-Men themed schedule release, diving into how such social media strategies forge deeper fan connections and build excitement for marquee matchups like the season opener against the Miami Dolphins.
Wrapping up, we scrutinize the Jaguars' NFL schedule, poring over each pivotal game's implications for our beloved team. The discussion spans from early-season dynamics to the critical importance of strategic victories down the stretch. Embracing each twist and turn, we're not just breaking down plays—we're building up hope for a season that could redefine the Jaguars. Join us, lend your ears, and become a part of the narrative shaping Jacksonville's gridiron glory. 🏈
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James Johnson and Phil Smith bring you the best and most up to date Jacksonville Jaguars news. "Touchdown Jaguars!" is a tribute to the prospective ownership group "Touchdown Jacksonville!" In 1991, the NFL announced plans to add two expansion teams and "Touchdown Jacksonville!" announced its bid for a team, and Jacksonville was ultimately chosen as one of five finalists. In November 1993, the NFL owners voted 26–2 in favor of awarding the 30th franchise to Jacksonville. James and Phil have been fans of the franchise ever since and have had the honor (and sometimes dishonor) of covering the team professionally since 2017. The rest as they say, is history.
Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. Here are your hosts, james Johnson and Phil Smith. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. I am your co-host, phil Smith, and joining me, as always, is your other co-host, james Johnson, and Jay going to be back here with you after a couple of weeks off. As you guys know that I've been listening for a while.
Speaker 1:You know the offseason not a whole lot to talk about typically, so we take some you know, some intermittent breaks in between episodes. However, plenty to talk about this afternoon for this week's episode, and I'm really excited to get back into it here, jay, as the excitement of the NFL draft has settled down and we now look forward to one where the team is going to be playing in the future, as well as who the team is going to be playing in the future. So we're going to do all of that here today, as you guys see in the title of this episode. Don't forget to check the show notes of this episode to find the linktree link. You'll find everything you need, such as social media pages, as well as the link to download the SeatGeek app to use our promo code TouchdownJaguars. Jay, I'm excited to get into this one here with you and also we are recording this on Thursday afternoon, may 16th.
Speaker 1:I want to wish Jay a very happy happy birthday. So if you get a chance on social media, shoot him a belated happy birthday, if you're listening to this episode a little late. So, jay, thanks for taking the time to hop into the studio with me, even though you know you should be out celebrating. I mean, come on, what are you doing here? Where is the where's the Clico? Why are you here with me today? Where is the where's the Clico? Why?
Speaker 2:are you here with me today? Yeah, I decided to say the Clico for after the podcast because I might say some stuff that you know you would have to edit out. That'll save you a lot of work, first and foremost, and it's a Thursday man, so I probably more so celebrate on the weekend, more so than today because I got to work tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Coincidentally, I had the day off, didn't ask for it.
Speaker 2:The time isn't real. There you go, there you go. It is. It's not real at all. But yeah, man, you appreciate the birthday wishes.
Speaker 2:I'm glad to be back and you know this episode is a very, very exciting one for me because, you know we'll be talking about a situation we've talked about dating back to when. You know I just thought about this. But since we've been friends, basically since the beginning of our relationship as friends, with this stadium situation, so this has kind of been a cloud hanging over our heads since the entirety of us working as journalists, since we've been friends and you know, as I put on Twitter or AKAX, you know this week was one that was very important for not just the Jaguars but for the city of Jacksonville, like a very historic. I think it's really been an underrated week of how important this week is for the city and team. But that being said, man, yeah, I can't wait to talk about that, talk about this schedule as well.
Speaker 2:Man, the offseason has given us plenty to talk about, so we'll go over that and, as always, you all know where to find the content, which I will probably write some content after that. Who writes on their birthday, right, but I'll probably write some content on what we're going to talk about in this podcast and give you some written stuff on Touchdown Jaguars, so can't wait to talk about it all here today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you don't have to refer to Twitter as the name that one Tesla billionaire wants us to call it, just so you know. You don't. You don't have to mention the fake name around here. We know it's Twitter and prolonging calling it Twitter making said Tesla owner even more angry, it just makes it even better. So, like you said, jay, a lot to talk about here today. And, yeah, make sure to check out the website touchdownjaguarscom again. You can find that in the link tree link of the show notes. But jay gonna take care of some quick business here.
Speaker 1:As the uh, the jaguars pr department did drop some news in terms of signings as well as waivers. The team did sign defensive back terrell edmonds, defensive back trey flowers and a linebacker, ty summers. Additionally linebacker Ty Summers. Additionally, linebacker Daquan Jackson has been waived and wide receiver Wayne Ruby has been waived. Slash placed. That was kind of, I believe, an injury designation. So, jay, I believe these are just in terms of bolstering the special teams not necessarily big names of note here correct. This is kind of uh, you know, mid-summer moves to kind of again bulk up your roster yeah, pretty much, you know.
Speaker 2:They probably, you know, saw some things and you know, at this point of the season, uh, they aren't padded or anything like that, you know they're kind of more so phase one and what have you. But you know they probably saw some areas on the team where they wanted to add some depth, despite not really taking the field for like padded activities. They do, you know, go out there and do some pitching, catching and all that good stuff. But they probably saw some spots on the team where you know they wanted to bulk up some things, get some some guys that are veterans that can help them on special teams. And in Wayne Ruby's case, you know he got he sustained, should I say, an injury during rookie minicamp. I think it was a hamstring injury, if I'm not mistaken. So this could be a situation where they revisit him.
Speaker 2:You know we seen this in the past, where a player get waived and then, after they clear waivers or whatever the case may be, you know they bring them back and you know they'll give them a little time to heal. I wouldn't be shocked to see him back, because they didn't really get to see a lot of him, if you will, and you know it'll be interesting to see what's the timeline on his injury and you know, and you know it'll be interesting to see what's the timeline on his injury and you know when he can be able to practice and, you know, contribute to a team for training camp or OTAs, whatever the case may be. So, yeah, you are right on that. Some guys here with familiarity with Ryan Nielsen too as well. So that makes sense as well, in addition to just, you know, bolstering the presence in terms of more veteran guys on the team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you certainly hate to see anybody go down with injury, especially if you know when it's somebody who is trying to make a team and you know have their presence known. But yeah, like you said, maybe you'll get a chance down the road. But yeah, we just wanted to mention that because it did come down the pipeline here today. And jay, the other thing I want to mention here I am going to deviate and we actually didn't really discuss this beforehand, remember we joked about. You know this episode shouldn't take that long, but it's probably going to be ending up. We end up being two hours. I want to talk to you because it's been a hot topic in our group chat about the college football 25 rollout. So finally, even though the cover did leak yesterday, the actual cover did come out. You know an official release from EA today and you and I, big video game fans you know I, more so, play a lot of Madden more than you and I don't, and that's begrudgingly. By the way, if you follow me on social media, you know that I am a big time EA detractor and the cover was released today starring Travis Hunter, donovan Edwards, quinn Ewers, of course, my quarterback at the University of Texas and you and I have been talking about this with our, you know, with Boogie and Vez in the in the group chat and you made a really good point about the rollout has been a little underwhelming. Now there is going to be a gameplay reveal here pretty soon and if you, if you don't care about this, feel free to skip ahead maybe five minutes and we'll talk about the stadium and the schedule, but the rollout has been a little underwhelming In my opinion. You know we did see the reveal and this isn't surprising that there are going to be microtransactions and some sort of ultimate team in the college football game, which ultimate team has completely ruined Madden, by the way, and for those of you that are familiar with the game and you know, I think you can agree with me that ultimate team in general has made Madden almost an unplayable product.
Speaker 1:And I've been trying to remain optimistic about NCAA football 25 because of course, we have been wanting it for so long. Optimistic about NCAA football 25 because of course we have been wanting it for so long. These kids are finally getting paid and getting recognized with, you know, the way that they should after all these years. But I just want to kind of get your general thoughts on it. You know you have thrown around the idea of getting the collector the you know the Heisman edition, whatever it's going to be called, but, like, these collector's editions aren't what they used to be. Sorry to sound like, get off my lawn and you know, old head here but these collection editions are not what they used to be for these games. So, like, what is your general? Uh, just thoughts of the college football 25 rollout and what we've gotten so far yeah, I mean I.
Speaker 2:This is a great topic to talk about, because I was a big fan of the ncaa college football series when they were doing it, that's when I was playing Madden. You know, I haven't played a Madden for man. It's been maybe three years and maybe even longer, and the one time I played it three years ago it was with you. So that just goes to show you like I don't look forward to nothing either.
Speaker 2:I bet not. Yeah, I wouldn't to like impress when I played it with you, but that just goes to show you, like, when you know, when I was a kid, I can remember like playing madden 95 and all the way up into uh, you know the maddens with ladania tomlinson and all of that, like looking forward to them and standing in lines for them in terms of releases and midnight releases. We're well past those times now. But you, you know, somewhere down the road, like they just got stale for me and I just kind of stopped playing them. And, um, it didn't help also that you know they stopped making and when I say they, I mean Electronic Arts, ea, um, I guess that's what they go by now. They always change their names these days with these companies but um, also, you know they stopped making the NCAA games. So they kind of, like, you know, didn't help my interest in playing, you know, these football titles for PlayStation or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2:I'm a Nintendo guy, but I mean I own a PlayStation 5 and have owned Microsoft products too. But yeah, I said all of that to say this man is in terms of the NCAA college football game. I'm really, really excited that it's returning, but yeah, it's been underwhelming. I don't have a lot of optimism right now, which is based on what they rolled out, about how this is going, and it doesn't help that EA hasn't made in terms of football games. They haven't made any great products recently, so that's kind of scaring me a little bit too. But yeah, man, like you said, we still haven't seen any gameplay. We've seen what all, but like one screenshot of Notre Dame, like taking the field and not even like on the field, but like walking through the tunnel. So, you know, that's that kind of concerns me as well, although you know, the due date is July. So I guess, like they only have so much time before they have to start showing this gameplay, which that should be tomorrow, with what they're going to do. But all of that said, man, yeah, yeah, I am not as excited as I once was for it, but still, you know, I do want to hold out my my thoughts until I see that gameplay right and see if it looks anything like Madden, because that's what we don't want it to look like, and that was the unique thing about the NCAA games is, you know, how far away it looked from Madden. It felt like two different games and that just made it real, real, interesting and fun from that and it felt like two different games and that just made it real, real, interesting and fun from that perspective. But hopefully that gameplay tomorrow sways me.
Speaker 2:But with EA having their hands in it, you know you have to have your concerns and, yes, I am hoping for that collector's edition, that Heisman edition or if that's not a like a quote-unquote collector's edition and it's a bunch of just random stuff and they reveal something else. That is the collector's edition. I'm waiting for it because I am a big collector. I'm literally sitting in a room like six arcade machines here and, yeah, I always wanted that aspect brought into the NCAA games because I don't think the old ones had that. So you know, like what, whatever they have to offer in terms of the collector's edition is kind of intriguing me as well as the gameplay. And you know you know some some more just details on the game, because it has been sporadic in terms of the details so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and from what it seems I also want to point this out, from what it looks like is none of the microtransactions, none of like the Heisman points or whatever they were called, the college football points I think it's what it was referred as. None of those seem to apply to the dynasty mode or the road to hide the Heisman mode. You know which are the two most popular modes. You know what you want is to be able to build up your dynasty. People want to take control of a dynasty. They want to take a small school and turn it into a powerhouse, especially now that the college football playoff is going to be in the game. There's so much opportunity here.
Speaker 1:And yeah, you're right, jay, they did a great job every year of making ncaa, and we're talking about when the games used to come out uh, you know, prior to this, making sure that the games felt unique and different from madden. So if we boot up the game on what is it july 19th, something like that and the gameplay feels exactly like madden, then I consider that a failure. I mean, the game modes can be fun and you know we can get all the teams and all the different playbooks and all that kind of stuff. But if it still feels like we're just playing a reskin madden, like kudos, to the people over in the, the Madden modding community they have mad at they have been modding like college football into the game for a very long time on PC and they did a good job of making it feel unique from what I hear. But if it, if you, if you load that game up and it's just a reskin Madden, then that is a abject failure in my opinion.
Speaker 1:So again, I just wanted to mention that it is a football topic. We might start my opinion. So again, I just wanted to mention that it is a football topic. We might start sprinkling in some of these like pop culture or sports stories to the podcast, just kind of freshen things up a bit. And also, you know, I'm sure there's some fellow gamers out there. But yeah, jay, I mean I just know for one thing, I'm not going to touch any type of ultimate team in this game. I'm not giving EA a dime more than I need to when it comes to this or any football game that they put out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I don't blame you, man Like they've run the ultimate team thing into the ground and, quite frankly, like I'm so uninterested in ultimate team.
Speaker 2:Phil, I'll tell you this, I don't even quite know what it is, but I'm you know, I'm tired of seeing people talk about it and how much they hate it. I'm tired of you know them continuing to roll it out despite how disliked it is Right. But yeah, man, I still again have a little bit of optimism because this is something they've had a little bit of time to work on, because, of course, they had to get the rights to these players, rights to these teams, work out the contract details. They put a lot into the commutating of it. I remember some of the guys with ESPN, herb Street, so on and so forth, you know, giving us updates on that. So it does feel like they've poured a lot into it and they really want this to take off. But time will tell if we get what we want and if the anticipation of many, many years of not having these college football games were well worth it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know I'm about a couple months away, so we will see what happens. Again, that gameplay might come out and it look great, and next week we'll be having a whole different conversation, so we'll see. But for those of you that stuck around, thanks for indulging us as we talk a little video games here on the podcast. If you're ever in the mood for any type of other pop culture content, make sure to check out my other podcast, which is the Wait For it podcast. But, jay, let's go ahead and dive into the Stadium of the Future deal, as the big news came out here earlier this week as the Jaguars unveiled a $1.4 billion cost for the Stadium of the Future investment and also investing more into downtown Jacksonville. This is the News for Jacks article that came out yesterday. The Jaguars in the city of Jacksonville. This is the News for Jax article that came out yesterday.
Speaker 1:The Jaguars in the city of Jacksonville took the wraps off the most expensive investment in Jacksonville history on Tuesday a 50-50 cost split of the $1.25 billion Stadium of the Future project that won't include new taxes and will keep the team in town for the next generation. Team President Mark Lamping, jacksonville Mayor, donna Deegan and Mike Weinstein, the city's lead negotiator, made the presentation at Tuesday's city council meeting. They laid out the numbers, a timeline, what taxpayers will be on the hook for and the two stadiums where the Jaguars could play during that renovation season, which could come in 2027. The city's $625 million portion will be factored into the annual budget across the next four years and won't include a tax increase for residents. The city also agreed to pay $150 million if a new deal is signed for maintenance and upkeep needed, bringing Jacksonville's total investment to $775 million. The latter $150 million is notable because it tilts the actual percentages to the side of the city in how it's presented at the NFL owners meetings.
Speaker 1:The proposal that could be given to the NFL would be framed as a 55-45 split, with the city taking the 55% portion. League owners are unlikely to approve a 50-50 split. Upon an approved deal, immediate maintenance and upkeep and needs of the stadium and cost that would go into the stadium ready for those renovations would begin. A new stadium deal requires a 75% owner approval in order to go through. So, jay, a whole bunch of good information here. I'll probably link it in the show notes of the episode if you want to read everything when it comes to this deal. We'll talk about where they could possibly be playing here in just a moment, but I know you have some information there and a slide that you had sent over to us in our group chat. So if you want to talk about, maybe, the numbers that people could be curious about For those of the fans that are hearing about the exact details for the first time, what are some notable numbers that Jaguar fans should know about this deal?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, one of them is kind of one and I'll get a little sidetrack here that doesn't necessarily have to do with the stadium itself right, the $150 million at the City of Jacks and the $150 million that the Jaguars are investing into the community. That's a very important thing in this as well because, make no mistake about it, part of this conversation has been it's a lot on the taxpayers. What does the community get back? And that's an answer to that is basically $300 million between the Jacksonville Jaguars and city of Jacksonville. So this will go to the, you know, development of out east neighborhood, which that's been one of the things that people really talked about is like pouring more money into the downtown area and surrounding areas around the stadium that need it, around the stadium that need it.
Speaker 2:A lot of this, you know, could help with affordable housing is how they have it put on the city of Jackson's memo here can help with homelessness, which is a big thing when you see how these stadium negotiations have gone in terms of what cities are asking for in terms of helping the community. I know the Titans stadium. I was reading up on it. I know we don't like to talk about them a lot, but one thing that they were discussing in terms of the development around the stadium as well and I don't think this is necessarily in their deal for the stadium, but this is an additional thing they want to put out there to their city council and within the citizens is getting something that helps with affordable housing. And I don't know about the homelessness they didn't mention that with the Titans, but it is mentioned here for the Jacksonville Jaguars and the memo sent by the city of Jacksonville you know that also go into county wide developments, park developments, park developments and specifically it says development of the Riverfront Plaza, shipyard West Park, metropolitan Park and Flex Field conversion on the north bank of the St John's River and public park upgrades combined with youth sports programming throughout Duval County. So of course you know the Jags are big on helping out the youth as well and of course the youth is key to the NFL, the NFL in general. You know they're big on helping out the youth because they are our future superstars in the NFL and they are also the future of future workers for the NFL as well, not just on the field, off the field as well. So that was one of the big things that was worth mentioning, and also, as you said, you mentioned, the key window field in terms of the stadium itself.
Speaker 2:So, to kind of not make this too long winded, the six hundred and twenty five dollar twenty five million that the Jaguars or, excuse me, the city is putting into it, that figure at first struck me as I'm like that's pretty fair. Now, granted, you know, we still are going to be playing a game a year, maybe even more, outside of Everbank Field or whatever it's called at the time, or whatever it's called at the time, when you consider the leagues foreign, I guess, the international games. They would have to play at least one game a year and then every four years maybe another one, because every team is eligible to play in the international games at least once every four years. So they could play somewhere else, who knows, maybe Mexico or wherever else they have games. But, um, I know, I know that's a big thing there's. You know we wanted our games back. You know as many games as possible in the stadium, especially if we're going to be rolling out this money for it. But still, 625 million dollars.
Speaker 2:When you look at these other stadium deals, especially and you went to one of the huddles for this, martin Lampin I think he said this in the huddle is typically, when it comes to small market teams, the small markets have to shell out more money for these, which is a little bit unfair because their markets are smaller. They have to shell out more money for these stadiums. So for the Jaguars and you know the city to be able to negotiate a 50-50, you know, on surface level of 50-50. But when you add that extra 150 million in that the city will put into the current stadium, that'll put them over a 50-50 deal. But when you look at it at surface level, at the 50-50 level, right right there, that's pretty good. You know what I'm saying. Like, I'm not saying this deal is perfect by any means, but me and you have had these discussions I was expecting the city to have to put in maybe 900 million, closer to a billion for sure. So that struck me as you know, something that stood out to me. And yeah, man, I just feel like you know that's the key here.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, this doesn't mention a lot, and they talked about doing this in separate deals, about the development around the stadium.
Speaker 2:Aside from that, you know the 150 I mentioned from us and the Jags and the city of Jags, but they haven't really talked about what they're going to build around the stadium like the details of it.
Speaker 2:City of Jackson, but they haven't really talked about what they're going to build around the stadium like the details of it, and that was kind of part of the initial talks was, you know, they want to do one whole big deal that would be over $2 million, but it looks like you know they'll work on the stuff outside of the stadium, surrounding the stadium later, which helped this to maybe be cheaper. If I had to guess but that's what I wanted to like get your take on is that amount of the 625 million and that we're putting in the city or putting in? Should I say I don't live in Jacksonville anymore that you will be putting in and that the Jaguars will be putting in? How do you feel about that 50 50 split Again, it's technically 55 45. When you look at the, at what they're going to put into the current stadium. But what are your thoughts on that personally?
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, like you said, it was surprising, especially when the expectation was set that we're going to have to pay a whole lot more. And you talk about what these other cities are getting essentially taken advantage of. I mean, buffalo, which we talked about, I think you know, at some point last year, is a classic example. I mean, they're paying, they're shelling out all that money and they're playing that climate and they're not even getting a roof. You know, they're not even getting any type of cover. So the fact that this is the deal I mean listen, for one, I'm never going to celebrate really giving billionaires a whole bunch of money, but I also, on the other side, understand this is how you play the game right, this is how you have to address these types of things and this is how you keep your team and this is how they get done. Is it an ideal world and is it an ideal process? No, absolutely not. But again, given the way that other teams have taken advantage of their markets, you know, when you look at the San Diego's, when you look at the St Louis's two cities that never should have lost their teams let's be totally honest. But the fact that this is what we got, honestly, I mean, it couldn't have really gone too much better. And I know in this article they do mention, you know, because they did oh, actually a different article because they have already started doing the town hall meetings. The community huddles is actually what they've been calling the second round of meetings.
Speaker 1:Donna Deegan and Mark Lamping, as well as some other people, went to Mandarin High School, where I graduated from last night and talked about this and some people were asking her. You know why were they afraid of essentially putting this on a ballot? You know why don't the people have the opportunity to try and voice whether or not they want this, this? And Mayor Deegan made a point she talked about this in her campaign that she was going to negotiate and prioritize a fair deal for the Jaguars and the stadium renovations. That would benefit both the team and also the city of Jacksonville. And I like what she said in her quote. She said, if we start putting every leadership decision to a referendum, we're not going to get a whole lot done in the city.
Speaker 1:I can tell you that and that's true. And listen, politics and politicians are a whole nother conversation. But at some point you know these elected officials, specifically Mayor Deegan, you know, these things just have to get done. So I understand that some people are upset because they would like to see this money go elsewhere. And listen, I totally get that. There are things that are way more important than a game. We're not on the opposite side of that conversation. But again, if you want to keep your football team, if you want to keep a profitable source of income and also upgrade the downtown area, this is the game you play. This is the game that we got and I think, honestly, they did a pretty good job. We've been very critical of a lot of things that this team has done, and deservedly so. But, jay, yeah, like you said, man, I think, all things considered, that this isn't that bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you, when you mentioned the taxpayer thing, me and you have had that conversation many, many times on here, where, yeah, man, I totally get where they're coming from. We're with the taxpayers on this. But keep this in mind too, though, like there are times, this and this is how tax money goes not necessarily Florida taxes, because I don't pay Florida taxes anymore, but here in the state of Georgia, anywhere I live, for that matter is my tax dollars sometimes go into niches that don't necessarily even correlate to me, and that's just what come with the territory. You know what I'm saying. So that's kind of one of the things that comes with being a taxpayer Sometimes you're going to put your taxpayer dollars into a niche that doesn't even necessarily correlate to you as a citizen. So, that being said, man, as you were saying, man, another thing, oh, yeah, also this too, phil.
Speaker 2:Another thing, too is yeah, I'm with you in terms of we've had this conversation too, man, it's like paying for stuff for billionaires, right, but at the flip side of it, you can also say this too the stadium belongs to the city of Jacksonville too. So, you know, shotgun doesn't necessarily own the stadium. Now, if he did, that'll be another thing. That'll be, you know, argument much more worth having. But you know he does not own the stadium here in Jacksonville and, um, I think we even had conversations um and made a podcast about this. I wonder what shotgun everyone to buy the stadium. But that's another story for another time. But yeah, I mean, of course more details will come out later down the road and we'll have more.
Speaker 1:And now.
Speaker 2:You know I'll post some more details on the article that I put out in terms of the finances and what have you. But, man, it looks like we are moving in the right direction to get this cloud over our head. It's been something we discussed on ever since. We've been podcasters, right, and you know it's two more major steps. Of course, the city council has to vote on it. They will have to win. They will have to get 10 of 19 votes for it to pass. Most people feel like that should be achievable. You know, of course you're going to have some people that are going to vote for it. I think one of the councilmen has already spoke out against it. Last name Diamond.
Speaker 2:I forgot his first name but Rory Diamond. So you I mean you typically with these things you never have a unanimous decision. I think the Buffalo Bills did with their city council vote. But all they need is you know it's not like the Lai J situation they just need 10 votes of 19. It would pass. Then you know, of course the league has to vote on it. Then you know you have to worry about the owners. And if they would pass it and this is a unique deal?
Speaker 2:So a part of me wonders, like, will owners look at it kind of differently? But you know, one thing that Mark Lamping was saying is that you know, according to him at least, teams don't really like to necessarily relocate in the NFL. They like to just stay where they are. And you know, I can kind of believe that. And here's the reason.
Speaker 2:It might not be for the reason people think, but the reason is because I think they're just running out of markets to go to in this day and age. Like, where else is there to really go to that has this kind of money that Salt Lake City, maybe San Antonio, like, do they want to spend this kind of money close to a billion dollars, maybe a half a billion into, you know, a new stadium and getting a team and something that you know statistics say don't really help the economy for areas, right. So I think the owners you know maybe you know you put in the respect for Shotgun as well, the owners should pass it. I don't see why they wouldn't, despite it being a I guess what we would say is a unique deal, more different than anybody else. But yeah, time will tell man. Those are the two big check. Next check points right there City council vote, owners vote. Once that gets clear, you know it's off to the races in terms of building this thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep the NFL out of San Antonio. I, as a Dallas native and as someone who has visited San Antonio, no, I absolutely would not want an NFL team in San Antonio. Consider me a less insensitive version of Charles Barkley when it comes to talking about San Antonio. I just don't like the city in general. So let's the nfl out of there. But and then the other thing jay, you know that was, uh, that has been discussed obviously is where the team would play while these renovations were going on. The jaguars would play it, and if at everbank stadium at a reduced capacity in 2025 and 2026, and then the team would play at either orlando's camping world stadium or the university of florida for one year during renovations in 2027. The International Speedway down in Daytona had been an out-of-box thought, but Mike Lamping said the team had opted for either Gainesville or Orlando as a temporary home. If the Jaguars choose to play at Florida, the Swamp would need a new visitor's locker room to be brought up to NFL standards. Camping World is currently undergoing a $400 million renovation. The Swamp is also undergoing a makeover. The school announced last year that they would undergo a multi-generation solution that could cost at least $400 million. Lamping mentioned that the money for the Gators locker room upgrades had not been discussed. The NFL also has a program called the G5, a stadium financing arm where teams can borrow up to $300 million from the league, but Lamping indicated that teams don't have to use that option.
Speaker 1:So I know, between those two choices, jay, mine would be Gainesville, just because it is closer, I don't want to have to drive down to Orlando seven minimum times, six or seven times during the season. Honestly, I hate going to Orlando anyway. The thing with Gainesville, though, is like traffic wise. How does that work? I've never been to a game at the Swamp, so as far as watching the Florida Gators play, so like listeners, let us know how that looks.
Speaker 1:Like, you know, as far as coming in and out of there, but I'd rather drive an hour to Gainesville as opposed to two and a half to to Orlando, and I add to the extra 30 minutes because, again just because of the traffic coming in, coming in and out of downtown also, orlando is just a terrible city in general. I'm sorry, I'm not gonna actually I'm not, I'm not gonna apologize for that, but, um, you know, between those two options, I would probably prefer Gainesville. What do you think? Obviously you're here, but like what would you be your preference? You know as far as where the team would play for that one season in twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2:I have to go off of what you said last there. I actually love the city of Orlando, of Orlando, but I think Gainesville is the better option. Is the better option, I mean? And to renovate a locker room, you know, won't be too crazy in price. And I think the reason that it is that way with the locker room situation is because we've seen how the college football dynamic works. Right, phil, when a visiting team is visiting, you know their opponent. You don't want them to be comfortable in there. You just you got some like put together locker room that's under the bleachers with like one working restroom, like. That's just how it is, especially in the SEC man, it's stories out there, the commanders have been doing that for years, so yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, stories out there of how bad especially visitor college locker rooms are.
Speaker 2:I mean that's the case in the NFL too, but but they're really, really bad in terms of on a college level. So, yeah, I mean they definitely would have to get that fixed, which I don't think that'll be an issue. You kind of would be doing opposing teams a favor that would visit the swamp after that, right, yeah, they would have a better locker room than they once had, but I don't think that would be an issue. And you know, something worth mentioning is just the relationship between the Jaguars and you know the Gators. They're trying to build a satellite campus outside of the stadium, within walking distance. So you know, I think that's the more logical place. A lot of the you know the people that are closer with sources on the Gainesville side, like you know your Frank Franges of the world, who he's? I think he's the voice of the Gators for 1010 XL. You know he was saying that he believes that.
Speaker 2:You know, when it's all said and done you know they'll end up playing in Gainesville, so I think that's where it will be. In terms of the Orlando thing, I mean, the positive in that would be you would tap into that Orlando market. If you did do it and you know Orlando has expressed a lot of eagerness to host the Jacksonville Jaguars but you reach into that Orlando market, maybe get some people to start pouring into Jacksonville in terms of coming to see games and coming to make Jacksonville a place of residence. So, you know, from from a kind of marketing standpoint, that could help you there.
Speaker 2:But again, Gainesville feels more likely and, as you said, yeah, the traffic will be a concern, because I don't know what kind of highways Gainesville has, but I don't know if they have the kind of highways that's needed to pour that kind of traffic into the city. Now, granted, they have a really big stadium and they have a really big fan base, but from an NFL perspective, especially if the Jags made the playoffs or something like that, you have to wonder how the traffic flow would be there, because it is a little bit different than the traffic flow in terms of the highways and stuff that lead into it, than Jacksonville. But I will say and time will tell. I think, for the sake of all the people that are season ticket holders and they live in Jacksonville, Gainesville would best fit them.
Speaker 2:As you have kind of said for your situation, you could get shuttle service in a little easier to go there, because it's a little bit not as long of a trip than Orlando and also you have a lot of people who travel to Gainesville in general, so like they're familiar with that route. Me personally, as a Georgia Bulldog fan, I don't want the aura of Gainesville swamp air in terms of the state I'm talking about the stadium itself. That's what it's called A swamp, hitting me as a Georgia fan and rubbing off on me. But for the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, and I'm not a season ticket holder, but for the Jacksonville Jaguars I guess I can endure eight, seven games at the swamp I outlive. I guess is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's another good point as well. No-transcript know anything to make Jason Locken for even angrier. You know, as he sits at home just seething over the Jacksonville Jaguars not moving to London for some reason, I guess he's just doesn't have a lot going on, you know, ever since going on, ever since he got let go from his job at the NFL Network. But let's move on, shay, to the schedule and talk about some takeaways here. We don't do our official predictions until around August or right before week one, so we're going to hold off on that. But the schedule release did come out.
Speaker 1:First off, let me get your impressions on the schedule release video. They went X-Men and I thought it was awesome. Obviously this has become a big deal for teams, social medias, when it comes to the schedule release, and the Jaguars, I think, did a great job. I myself have not gotten to start X-Men 97 yet. I don't know if you have to start X-Men 97 yet. I don't know if you have, or I think maybe you're a few episodes behind. Our buddy Staj obviously is all caught up. But what did you think of the X-Men theme and the throwback theme, obviously embracing, you know, the return and the 30th anniversary of the Jaguars here with the scheduled release.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I loved it, man, and I think it should. Honestly, I haven't seen the other scheduled release videos but, like last year.
Speaker 2:I think it probably should end up in the top at least eight in my opinion, but I have to watch the other videos. But regardless of what they look like, I just love that concept. X-men, the animated series that once came on Fox, is one of the best animated series ever. You know, like they were well ahead of their time with that, not in terms of like necessarily the animations and all of that, but in terms of the messaging they were trying to send and all of that well ahead of their time and a lot of the stuff are the issues that we bring up today and talk about today and bring to the light. So you know, they were kind of ahead of the curve with that. And then the x-men 97 is it's looking like the best modern day you know project that disney has done in terms of animation with marvel. Um, I don't know about like necessarily like the cinematic stuff, and you know I don't know what you rank it with that, but in terms of their animated projects it's looking like the best one they've done in quite some time easily, um, and I'm about seven episodes in. So I love the whole x-men 97 thing. I've been excited about it. I think I need to finish up. It's four more episodes, I think. So, um, it's some things that I haven't quite seen yet that I've seen people kind of mention on Twitter.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I love that they went with that because that is a especially for millennials, which that's a lot of what jazz fans are. Is millennials right? We could, we had that correlation to it. You know what I'm saying. We had that connection to x-men 97. We uh knew right off the rip like, oh man, that's X-Men, like we were going to be tuned in, you know, sat seated, whatever the case may be, when eight o'clock hit to see that schedule release, just for the animated perspective of it and the connection with X-Men. So, yeah, I think they knocked it out of the park with the um, that concept. We'll see, like, where people rank them in terms of the other scheduled releases. But, um, yeah, man, I really enjoyed it and I wish they would have made some merch. So I mean that would have. Well, you probably can't do that because disney will sue you, but I was about to say I wish they would have made like some kind of merch with it to kind of go with it.
Speaker 1:I would have definitely copped some of that man yeah, I some some jaguar x-men themed merchandise like a crossover would have been absolutely insane. But uh, yeah, I don't think, uh disney is quick to pull the, uh, the lawyer trigger on anybody, so I don't think that that was a possibility, unfortunately. But yeah, like you said, really great idea to go with this, especially with the popularity of x-men 97, lots of easter eggs in there it seems like we will probably be getting the throwback jerseys. There is a little bit of a, a hint there, uh, in the in the video, so it seems like they'll get throwback jerseys when we play the jets, which is week 15, um, and that's because you know travis etn, who is the, the character in the in the video. He has the original logo on his, uh, like his belt buckle, so the og logo. So it seems like that could be a candidate for the throwback game. Um, and then, of course, the easter egg at the very end, where it says, you know, throwback jerseys will return this summer or throwbacks will return this summer. So yeah, a lot of really really great details. Trevor as Cyclops is perfect. Josh Allen, of course, as Wolverine. Just a lot of really great details, but a great video. Yeah, you know, jay, I know you mentioned you haven't seen some of the other team's videos.
Speaker 1:The Chargers, per usual, knocked it out of the park. They diverted from anime this year and went with the Sims and that one was very, very good. The Buffalo Bills one was actually pretty funny. For those of us that are fans of Parks and Recreation it was a homage and shout out to that. So that one was pretty good. The Cowboys one I thought actually was pretty funny. They did the like that TikTok trend where you call someone and you just uh, uh, you just kind of you have to see it, but I thought that one was pretty good. Who else did I see?
Speaker 2:yeah, I saw both of those actually feel the cowboy one the cowboy and the bills, both of which were hilarious to me. A lot of people were saying the bills one was kind of boring but I loved it, like with josh allen staying on the construction side yeah, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah and um, that's the thing. If you don't know the reference, it's not going to be that funny yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:That does make sense. But the tiktok theme cowboys one was funny as well, like they call, like don staley, who supposedly is like an eagles fan. I didn't know, don staley called a lot of people, yeah, yeah, and everybody was like what are y'all doing, philly yeah okay, shout outs to don staley the, the great don staley, should I say the go yeah man, I loved it yeah.
Speaker 1:And then another one I saw. Oh yeah, I was saying the titans just rehashed what they did last year not as good, uh, as the the first time around. So I mean then the Arizona Cardinals probably had the absolute worst one that I saw. So, but yeah, definitely go watch the Chargers one, jay, if you get a chance. Like I said, the Sims homage was really, really good.
Speaker 1:But let's talk about some of these games in general. Now, the one that sticks out in the very beginning, well, they will open up on the road at Miami. So I think that will be a really good test, especially with a Miami team and offensive line that's a little bit depleted. They're playing in an environment as far as they'll still be in state, so that won't be anything new. But they get their first primetime matchup at Buffalo and this is a game that I'm hoping to attend. I've talked about in length that. We have a lot of close friends up in Buffalo, so hopefully we can make that happen.
Speaker 1:The London games back-to-back this year are against Chicago and New England. Not really too upset about not getting to see whoever New England's quarterback is at that time, so not worried about that. And then the other primetime game they have is Sunday Night is at that time, so not worried about that. And then the other primetime game they have is Sunday night football at Philly. That will be week nine. So no primetime games here in Jacksonville, jay, after getting three last year. So was that a bit of a surprise for you, or you know as a fellow traumatized Jaguar fan. Are you okay with them not hosting any primetime games this year?
Speaker 2:I'm OK with it and I figured that would be the case, you know right, because After how we just showed up last season, especially down, you know, down the stretch, you know the league probably wouldn't show us any love. So two primetime games is actually still better than what we used to get before we got Trevor Lawrence. You know we were stuck with the one primetime game a year and it was like what a Thursday night. Or with the Titans. We could literally predict every year where this was going with primetime games. So I mean I am very interested in that.
Speaker 2:Eagles game that Sunday night football game. I wouldn't mind actually traveling to that one. I always wanted to go to Lincoln Financial Field. And then, of course, the other one is a Monday nighter and hopefully we can get somebody on from the ESPN crew Shout outs to them. They've been real cool.
Speaker 2:Maybe we can get somebody in front of ESPN crew for that game as well where we'll take on Josh Allen, who can't really seem to beat the Jaguars. So that could be a W. But looking at it overall, in totality, I'm not shocked in terms of where they went with the primetime aspect of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those games down the stretch were rough, unfortunately it yeah, those games down the stretch were rough, unfortunately, and and you know when that happens and you know it's also a market that's not the most popular. That, then it is what it is. It is kind of interesting that there is no thursday night football, whether it's home or away, so that is a little bit strange. Even in trevor's first year we got the uh, the cincinnati game on thursday night football. So I was a little bummed. There were rumblings that the Jaguars would get the Thanksgiving game against Detroit. That did not end up happening. That will be a really great test.
Speaker 1:I've mentioned this a bunch of times where I've stated like Jacksonville should be mirroring what Detroit is doing in terms of how they're running their franchise, and I think that's a good tentpole to give you an idea of how well you know Jacksonville is doing. Look at what Detroit has been able to do in a short turnaround period. But yeah, you know, those are the ones that are uh, that are standouts right now. Uh, they do get, uh, what's the over under J that Aaron Rogers is still playing week 15 when the Jets come to town for what could be the throwback game, I don't know. Six primetime games for the New York Jets is insane For a team that obviously underachieved, and the injury obviously was a big part of that. But I don't want to watch the Jets more than twice, let alone six times on primetime. So that is absolutely insane. The other game I know the Bull City Brigade is obviously talking about is the las vegas game. Um, in week 16. That would probably be another fun one to go to, but that is the the week of christmas, so be interested to see about that one.
Speaker 1:But yeah, a lot of good opponents on here, jay, they're definitely going to be tested. And, and one other thing that people notice, no back-to-back home games in Jacksonville. Obviously they have technically back-to-back home games against New England and Green Bay, but one of those is in London, the other one is back here in Jacksonville, so no back-to-back home games at all this season. So, you know, interested to see what people feel about that. But yeah, definitely some quality opponents on here, jay, they're going to have their work cut out for them, even with a second-place schedule. But with the NFC North being the division we've got to play this year, it's going to be a tough test for Trev as well as the coaching staff with the opponents. They've got lined up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course, like I look in the schedule or I look at the schedule in force, so I guess, like you know, I'll spend some of these on you that first four games feel at Miami versus Cleveland, which is the home opener, at Buffalo, which we kind of talked about, at Houston, all playoff teams, if I can recall, if I can recall so how they start could really really dictate a lot, because you know you don't want to start 0-4 and these teams are all capable of beating the Jags and it goes the other way around, we're capable of beating them as well. And especially when you look at the Bills, like history with us, we, you know they don't like facing us, let's put it that way, we're kind of there, the thorn in their foot if you will, or the the nail in their tire.
Speaker 1:But yeah, starting with that first four, feel how you feel about that gauntlet of a stretch right there yeah, I mean, some people were saying they could come out of that stretch at one and three and honestly, like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be totally surprised. Um, miami is a is a toss-up, you know, with tua but also with those weapons. Um, I do hope that by then you know the hopefully coming out of the pre-season your pass rush looks pretty solid. But I mean, people have been saying this on jaguar twitter they need to add one or two pass rush options still. Uh, what, through free agency or trade, whatever it may be.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, you can come out of that stretch of those first four games at one and three and then you're looking at after that. You're looking at indy chicago, young team first trip to london, new england, and then you obviously have a tough game against green bay. But you have three games after that where you can kind of right the ship. Remember they started one and two last year and then one on a big run. The other side of the coin is you have to look at who will probably be our toughest competition. When you look at Houston's schedule, they open with Indy Chicago, minnesota rookie quarterback, right, indy, obviously a returning first-year quarterback. They play two rookie quarterbacks and a returning from injury, anthony Richardson, and then they come into week four against us. So you look at that Like you said. You like to look at it in quarters. Houston's first quarter is much more favorable than Jacksonville, so I think that that first part of the month for the season is going to be a little bit rough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, I think it's a win if we come out of that two and two. We'll see, you know, we'll talk about predictions later. And yeah, as you mentioned that next quarter with Indy, Chicago, New England and Green Bay, you got to come out of that stretch with three wins, taking advantage of it, and then the other two quarters I guess I'll just, you know, ask for your take on that. The third quarter will be the primetime game. The other primetime game and last prime. Well, I don't want to say last, because we're going to the playoffs, right, but Philly, Minnesota, Detroit, Houston, that's a nice little stretch of teams that were in the playoffs between what Philly, Detroit and Houston is Well. Thoughts on that stretch real quick of teams that were in the playoffs between what Philly, Detroit and Houston as well. Thoughts on that stretch real quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's. The thing is like one of those teams will be a disappointment, right, like so, like last year it was Philly. You know they got off to a good start but like they didn't look like themselves. So, philly, minnesota, you know Minnesota is going to have JJ mccarthy, who a lot of people are very high on. I mean, I never really saw enough from jj to really believe that he could be this force multiplier for a franchise, but again, he wasn't really asked to do too much.
Speaker 1:So when you look at that stretch, like between philly, obviously in detroit, minnesota, which one of those teams is going to be a little bit of a disappointment at that time you know we're going to be halfway through the season which team is kind of going to be hovering, like I would say, probably lean more so towards Philly, just because of the way things went last year. But they've made some good upgrades as far as their roster. But coaching wise, you know, do you really trust them? Detroit, I think, think, will still be on a roll come that time. So you gotta go. I I think you have to go two and one in that stretch for sure, um, and then take advantage again of the team that you know is a little bit down at that time and be minnesota obviously right, right.
Speaker 2:And I mean you have to ask yourself, um, you know, is houston answering the call? In terms of the hype, I know you, you know you mentioned they have a much easier beginning to their schedule than us, but you know, at that point, you know are they being the teams that they should.
Speaker 2:You know, and are they answering? Because I think a lot of analysts included, a lot of people are putting a lot on Houston's plate and this is not a team that's in this stretch of games I mentioned. But also Indianapolis is played as well because you got Anthony Richardson, who hasn't seen a full season yet. He's still he's technically coming back into this game a rookie. And then, you know, you have to wonder if Stroud will be able to pick up where he left off, because sometimes we do see a sophomore slump. But we'll have those discussions later.
Speaker 2:And then that last stretch field is at Tennessee. We are Jets at Las Vegas. I kind of would want to go to that game, but it's too close to Christmas. So nope, um and Tennessee. And then they finished the season with Indy. You know that last game you kind of just got to see where you're at for that last game against Indy. So don't really worry about that. But that stretch of games, how you feeling about that? I mean two against Tennessee for the first time in a long time. I think the Jazz need to sweep Tennessee. They really do. I don't know how long it's been since we swept them, but they need to handle business there.
Speaker 2:And then you know New York, as we said, won't know what Aaron Rodgers will be available at that point or not, because he just he's had these injury prone seasons Knock on. You know we're not wishing injury on him or anything, but I'm just saying he just he's at the age where he's not playing entire seasons. And then Las Vegas, obviously a younger team with, you know, quarterback questions younger team with, you know, quarterback questions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, playing Tennessee twice, you know, I think, between Tennessee and Indy, you have to. You have to get these wins where you can, two teams that we definitely think we are better than. But then again, you know, last year, obviously last week of the season, tennessee, we came into Tennessee and they beat the brakes off us. Right, derek Henry had one more in them. He's like, before I leave the division, I'm going to take itry. Uh, had one more in him. He's like, before I leave the division, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it to jacksonville one more time. But, yeah, uh, come that time of the year, I mean, what is will levis gonna look like? You know towards what? How is he going to develop over the course of the season? Aaron rogers, we already talked about. Uh, gardner minshu will be las vegas quarterback. They know how to exploit him. Um, and then playing Indy at the end of the year, which playing them in Indy is obviously a little bit of a toss-up. And also the division games, just as we saw last year, we definitely don't know Comparatively. The Texans finish up the season with Miami, kansas City, baltimore and Tennessee. So you may be able to, you can go into Week 15 behind the Houston Texans but they got a. I mean Kansas City and Baltimore back to back and we're talking about a team, again a sophomore quarterback coming in. Obviously, cj Stroud is great. We have praised CJ Stroud on this podcast Second year.
Speaker 1:Can you keep that up? You know, how is Stefan Diggs going to integrate into the offense? I know a lot of people are excited about that, but Stefan Diggs hadn't been Stefan Diggs the last half of the season. Let's pump the brakes on that a little bit. They had some injury issues as well. When it comes to Tank Dell, he went down late in the season. You never know what's going to happen. We're talking about this stuff in May. It's going to be totally different come this time. So I think Jacksonville has a chance to make a run if they are behind Houston at this time because of Houston's schedule heading into the final month of the season. So take advantage of Will Levis twice, gardner Minshew, whoever the New York Jets quarterback is going to be, and then, like you said, jay, you have to see what happens heading into Indy, if that's a win or get in type of situation like it has been the last couple of years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree I hate ending the season with a divisional opponent. But maybe by the time you get to Indy which this will be awesome, if not better maybe we have 10 wins going into that game and it doesn't necessarily have crazy implications. You would like that to be the case because end of the season against a divisional opponent, they always have the ability to wreck things for you, so you know hopefully we are double digit wins by then.
Speaker 2:And you know it don't have dire implications, maybe a seeding or two type of implications, but not dire implications. And if it does, you just have to flat out win it. You know? Um, so at the end of the day, you know, they get paid on that side of the ball too. So yeah, that being said, man, I just wanted to just look at it in quarters there and get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 2:But I'm excited about the season man Excited to see if we make any more additions. Hint, hint. I hope we get Marshawn Lattimore and a past. We should maybe bring Yan back into the mix. But yeah, we'll talk about it later in other podcasts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, a lot to look forward to between the primetime games, as well as the return of the OG jerseys, and we're going to be breaking this down, obviously, quite a bit over the next few months. But, jay, really really great episode. Got a lot of topics in, even some that we didn't expect for this episode. So anything else you want to mention to our audience before we wrap up and focus on the next episode?
Speaker 2:No, not at all, man. We discussed it all. As I said man, this was a kind of special episode with the stadium stuff. Man, I have long waited to have this discussion, with that cloud hanging over our head of like hey man, deal is out there. Of course we got two more roadblocks, as I said, to get past with that situation. There'll be even more important podcasts when looking at those two, but yeah man, nothing really else left to say. Of course you can find us at touchdown.
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