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Touchdown Jaguars!
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Episode 116: Jaguars Training Camp Discussion with Jamal St. Cyr + Week 1 Preseason Preview
Football has returned to Duval! The “Touchdown Jaguars Podcast!” kicks off the preseason with a comprehensive look at training camp developments and what to expect when the Jaguars face the Pittsburgh Steelers in their first preseason game at EverBank Stadium.
Host James Johnson dives into the unofficial depth chart released by the team, highlighting several key position battles worth monitoring. The potential offensive line competition between veteran Ezra Cleveland and rookie Wyatt Milum at left guard promises to be one of the more intriguing storylines, with Milum set to likely get significant snaps against Pittsburgh. Meanwhile, the running backs room features a fascinating competition with Tank Bigsby appearing to lead Travis Etienne for first-team reps, though both are expected to play significant roles in Liam Coen's offense. Seventh-round pick LeQuint Allen has impressed in pass protection, potentially earning him third-down opportunities ahead of fellow rookie Bhayshul Tuten, who is battling an injury.
The podcast features an exclusive interview with Jamal St. Cyr from News4Jax, who has attended all nine training camp sessions. St. Cyr provides invaluable insights on Trevor Lawrence's progression (including acing a 100-question offensive test), Travis Hunter's remarkable two-way ability, and the defensive tackle position emerging as the team's biggest concern with injuries to Arik Armstead and Maason Smith. He boldly predicts Hunter could potentially win both Offensive and Defensive Rookie of the Year honors based on his camp performance, noting veterans have been impressed by Hunter's mastery of both playbooks without the mental mistakes typically expected from rookies.
From Josh Allen and Travon Walker's dominance on the edge to under-the-radar players making pushes for roster spots, this episode provides everything Jaguars fans need to know as preseason football arrives. Subscribe now for weekly coverage throughout the 2024 season as the Jaguars look to fulfill their potential under a revamped coaching staff.
Link to Jamal’s Twitter account
James Johnson and Phil Barrera bring you the best and most up to date Jacksonville Jaguars news. "Touchdown Jaguars!" is a tribute to the prospective ownership group "Touchdown Jacksonville!" In 1991, the NFL announced plans to add two expansion teams and "Touchdown Jacksonville!" announced its bid for a team, and Jacksonville was ultimately chosen as one of five finalists. In November 1993, the NFL owners voted 26–2 in favor of awarding the 30th franchise to Jacksonville. James and Phil have been fans of the franchise ever since and have had the honor (and sometimes dishonor) of covering the team professionally since 2017. The rest as they say, is history.
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Speaker 1:Welcome to the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. Here are your hosts James Johnson and Phil Smith.
Speaker 2:All right, what's good everybody. It's your boy, jay, here for the Touchdown Jaguars podcast, and man am I excited as football is finally back, albeit preseason football, but football is finally back for us, the people of Duval and Jacksonville Jaguars fans, and man am I excited to be talking about it and to get back into the mix consistently in the media world for the Jacksonville Jaguars. As I previously mentioned, I am J James Johnson from the Touchdown Jaguars. As I previously mentioned, I am Jay James Johnson from the Touchdown Jaguars podcast. Normally, I'm joined by my co-host, phil Barrera. He will be back next week. He has some things to take care of, but we'll be back in the mix as a duo consistently, week in and week out, as football, as I mentioned, is back.
Speaker 2:The first preseason game for the Jacksonville Jaguars will be on the 9th August 9th, specifically on Saturday, as the Jacksonville Jaguars will take on the Pittsburgh Steelers at home at Everbank Field or Everbank Stadium. Should I say ever bank uh field or ever bank stadium? Should I say uh for um, a game in which normally and traditionally, um, the starters don't play a lot, and that's probably going to be the case here, even though liam cohen hasn't spoken with the media. But of course you know common sense will tell you that. You know they're probably not going to play the starters too much. They'll play it safe with them for the first game. They'll just allow them to get in, get their feet wet, maybe a series or two, but as the preseason progresses then you'll probably see them in the mix a little bit more. And then maybe for that last preseason game, the third one, who knows where they'll'll go, what route they'll go in terms of that? Um, but you know you'll see them a decent amount of time. Make sure everybody's healthy, get them off the field, let the backups take over and then we'll be there in the regular season. So, all of that said, I can't wait to talk about, uh, some preseason football that's coming up. Can't wait to talk about some preseason football that's coming up.
Speaker 2:Today's episode, we actually had a guest. We had Jamal St Sear, which I had. That interview I put it on the back end of today's episode, which is episode 116. And, with that being the case, I won't really talk too much. In the intro of this podcast. I will discuss one topic and then we'll get into the interview on the topic that I'll discuss. And I felt, like you know, we did need to at least address this because it is the preseason right. The depth chart came out, the unofficial depth chart, so I will be talking about a few things and I won't really go deep into it because we have the interview, but we'll be talking about a few things to look for when looking at that depth chart, to look forward to in week one or preseason week one's game.
Speaker 2:All right, so, as you already know, there was already the week zero game, technically for the Hall of Fame game, which was the Lions and the Chargers, to get started for the preseason. The Chargers won a game 34 to seven, so a real lopsided one. There. I don't think the starters really played. I watched most of most of that game. Of that game. Yeah, the starters didn't really play, but, um, still, you know it gave us a football fix to get us in the door and get us ready for the rest of the preseason games, for preseason week one.
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Speaker 2:I've done a pretty decent job of getting videos up about every week, or close to every week, somewhere in that ballpark. New video will be coming up, of course, with the first preseason game, we'll have a new video coming up this week, the first preseason game. We'll have a new video coming up this week. Please feel free to support that, because we are trying to get in the mix for video content and visual content as well, and that will be our source for doing that. We also post the shorts on Instagram as well. We'll have our link tree in the description where you can follow all our major handles and stuff, so you will have no issue with finding out where to find our content, whether it's on TikTok, whether it's the audio format, whatever the case may be written format. We make sure that we have that all posted and we will make sure we'll have it posted in the description for this show, so we'll get into it.
Speaker 2:I don't want to make this podcast too long because we have the interview, as I mentioned, with Jamal St Sarah from News for Jacks, who has been to camp every day and breaking out pretty much or giving you a glimpse of every play, whether it's 11 on 11, 7 on 7, whatever the case may be. But I digress from my point the things I will be looking for in preseason game week one, after seeing this unofficial depth chart, if you haven't seen it, go to our Twitter page to touch down. Jaguars Twitter page is our most recent post, or it will be one our most recent post, so it'll be near the top and you can look at it and make assessments for yourself as well. And you can look at it and make assessments for yourself as well. But, all of that said, I got about six things I'll be looking at Again. I won't go too deep into them because I don't want to make this long.
Speaker 2:Three things on defense and three things on offense. And the first thing we'll start with that caught my eye when I was looking at the depth chart and it's not a shock necessarily, depth chart. And it's not a shock necessarily, um, but um, ezra Cleveland is in the mix or on the depth chart as the uh, left guard starter at left guard. And um, that being said, as we all know, we drafted Wyatt Millam from West Virginia, third round pick, who a lot of people are high on and want to see as a starter. But of course, you know, as we're being a veteran, and a veteran is making a decent amount of money, it's kind of not a shock that he is the starter, at least for now.
Speaker 2:So the one thing I'll be looking for is does Wyatt close that gap that there is between him and Ezra, that gap that there is between him and Ezra? Now a lot of people feel like he'll more so be the starter in year two, in his sophomore season. But I wouldn't mind seeing him because of the physicality he's added or he will add, should I say, to the mix. I wouldn't mind seeing him in the starting lineup because I think he would help the run game in a phenomenal way, in a bigger way than Ezra Cleveland would. Now, as I mentioned, the starters won't really play a lot, so Ezra won't see a lot of snaps, right? But that also means that Wyatt Millum gets the opportunity and he'll have. You know, this will be a game where he gets or receives more snaps than Ezra. He'll have a lot of film to put out there to see if he can close that gap and you know I would like to see him take advantage of it.
Speaker 2:I do want to see him show and showcase that physicality that we saw from him in West Virginia, that physicality that we saw from him in West Virginia. You know I would like to see him be the lead cause for some big time runs, for the backup, running backs and the running game in general. And I want to see him put some pressure on Ezra Cleveland, who you know I think is a little overrated, honestly. You know he gets praise from the metric people like PFF and um. You know he gets a lot of praise on Twitter and I'm not saying by any means that he is a a bad guard, but I think he is a little bit overrated. Um, pff would argue that he's a little underrated. I think they actually put him on like they're all underrated team, where they take like a underrated player from all 32 teams and, um, you know, they put them all on this list. But just, you know, I don't see somebody who can move people off the ball like you would want for this scheme, and he hasn't been available as much as you would like either as well. So there is that. So, all of that said, I kind of want to see um the rookie in the mix as quick as possible, but you can't rush these things when it come to rookies, right, um, and if he's not ready, then you certainly don't want him out there. But if he's close to even being ready, right, you know, you can put him out there, let him develop throughout the season and then by the end of the season, you got a prospect or a player that's much, much better than Ezra Cleveland. You know if you want to look at it from that standpoint, but I will be watching the rookie to see if he can close that gap and see if he displays that physicality that we saw from him when he was in college. Saw from him when he was in college.
Speaker 2:The next thing that we'll be looking at is Travis Hunter, who is the most popular player on this team. In my interview with Jamal, for some stupid reason, I said that he's not and that he would be the second and third. I wasn't even thinking, and I've even said it on this podcast in the past, and he's undoubtedly the most popular player on the team. So I don't even know what I was thinking there, but I digress from my point. But I want to see the usage of Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2:He is listed on the depth chart as a wide receiver one, so obviously he'll, you know, take the field with the starters in that regard, with Deami Brown and Brian Thomas. So those will be your starting trio of receivers, but as a cornerback he's pretty much a second stringer, because they have Tyson Campbell and they have Jordan Lewis as the number two. But I think you know, like Jordan Lewis, jordan Lewis will see a lot of snaps in the slot. So he's like your starting nickel, which you know. You see a lot of nickel these days. No, duh, that goes without saying. You see a lot of nickel these days. No, duh, that goes without saying. Um, but I said all of that to say this in terms of boundary corners. Um, what you could maybe be looking at, just based on the depth chart, is maybe Tyson and Jarrion Jones who had a great rookie season last year, by the way, um, and maybe Jordan Lewis in that slot, or, if not, you can see Tyson and you can see Jordan Lewis playing on the boundary as a starter, because they do have some injuries there.
Speaker 2:They had to make a sign in, in fact, this week, a young man who I have to pull up his name here real quick Levi Wallace, veteran, who's 30, 31 years old, and I think he previously played for the Bengals, if I'm not mistaken. But yeah, they signed Levi Wallace because they have some injuries there. So that's why this conversation about the cornerback position is coming up. Is, you know, how do they use Travis Hunter? How many snaps does he receive there? Does he receive snaps there as a number one? And if not and he's with the second stringers how long do they keep him out there too? That's another thing.
Speaker 2:You got to kind of weigh how long you want him out there in terms of you know, but if he's going to be a big part of this offensive defense at a four, you want to put him out there too long. Obviously, even though he's a two way player and you know, being that he's a two way player, that would say that he needs to be out there a decent amount and he's playing in his first game, he's a rookie, he's inexperienced. That would also say he needs he gets out there or receives out there as a cornerback, and with what group, you know, first string, second string, and how long. You know. Me personally, I would get him out there, probably with the second team corners, but also I wouldn't let him play like a full quarter, if that at all, just just for precautionary reasons. Down the road, that preseason second game, yeah, you know, and especially you want to get his conditioning, or you want to see where his conditioning is, which we everything that we've seen in the case that his condition it is there and where it needs to be. But in that second game is where you probably more so want to see him take more snaps, um, than he would in that that first game. But yeah, you just kind of want to get his feet wet in that first game and you want to protect him for precautionary reasons in that first game because you know, make no mistake about it, he's going to play a big role for us in the regular season, so you want to protect him for that reason. So that's one thing I will be looking for, um.
Speaker 2:The next thing is, of course and we discussed this actually in the interview with jamal I did um that running back room and the competition there, of course tank bigs being traps, atn are battling for the number one spot and, granted that they will be battling for that spot atop the depth chart, you would think they're not going to see a lot of snaps here, right? Not in this game, because they, you know they're penciled in as the starters probably start a 1a and 1b and then whoever kind of separates themselves in that second game when you play the starters, more would be the starter, but it's not a lot that we need to see from them in this particular game. We can address that later, but I want to more. So see what's going on on that back end of the depth chart.
Speaker 2:Basial Tootin is out with a hamstring injury. I don't think he's returned yet, so he hasn't been practicing. I think he's been off to the side, but they've been protecting him, rightfully so, because hamstring injuries are tricky and you don't want to re-aggravate it and get him out there too soon. But that leaves an opportunity. He likely I mean you would feel like they probably will be precaution, take precaution, take precaution with him and keep him out of this game. That leaves an opportunity for the other running backs on his roster and LaQuinn Allen and Jaquinden Jackson, who Jamal put on my radar and you know Jaquinden Jackson was saying, or Jamal St Cyr was saying, that Jaquinden Jackson is a guy that they've been kind of given more and more snaps throughout practice because they are impressed by him and they kind of want to see what he offers. And you know, if he's a guy that can make this team on a final 53 and he's a guy, he's a little bit bigger of a guy at the running back position, so he's a physical force for this team and you know he's one of those guys that can wear on a defense over time. So we'll see, um, what he offers. He'll be a guy that we watch, uh, under the radar name to watch and, and you know, see if he starts to force their hand to make them consider keeping him on a 53 man roster.
Speaker 2:But I'm also wanting to see Laquint Allen, who I'm the bigger fan of. When you talk about the running backs that they drafted this year and LaQuint Allen is a guy who you know, I've said it, you know when. Trav ZTN is probably gone next year I don't think he'll be gone this year, but next year. I think LaQuint Allen is a guy they're looking at to replace him. He's a little bit more physical than people maybe have known him to be between the tackles. And also Jamal, pointing out something important as well LaQuint Allen helps this team in the regard of when they put him out there, even though he's a rookie. He helps them in the regard of pass protection and they like that and that that, for that reason, that'll get him on the field more than Basial To tooting also. So that'll be something to watch in this preseason game.
Speaker 2:But in a nutshell, how does allen and jackson, how do they make the most of their snaps? Because they will get a lot of snaps, make no mistake about it in this game and probably the two games afterwards, for the simple fact of what I mentioned um, they're down, one running back tooting is down, and also to um, etn and Bixby are being looked at as number one. So they won't see the field a lot, you would think. So that leaves a grand opportunity for these two young men to make some noise and make the most of their snaps, kind of like I was saying with Wyatt Millam. So the next thing is something I talked about with Jamal in the interview, which you will hear.
Speaker 2:But just to kind of give a little preview and spoiler of one question I asked, I asked what is the biggest concern after nine practices on his team, and he agrees with me that it's defensive tackle. So how do the defensive tackles look? Because they're down two men. They had to make some signings, as a matter of fact today to add at least one defensive tackle, and I will pull that up here on my tablet real quick, so bear with me. Yeah, they signed a young man that previously played with the Buffalo Bills and Austin Jackson, or Austin Johnson, excuse me, because they are down two defensive tackles. As I said, mason Smith was put on the PUP list to start camp and he hasn't returned yet. It doesn't feel, and I'm not a doctor and I don't know exactly what's going on it doesn't feel like it's a long-term thing with him, uh.
Speaker 2:but also, in addition to that, eric armstead has been out of practice with a back injury, so they're down their top two guys there. And um, devon hamilton has been receiving a lot of snaps, according to Jamal, and Tyler Lacey has been receiving a lot of snaps in terms of you know them being the starters there. So at least you know, for camp they have been, because obviously the two people, the aforementioned people that I mentioned, have been out and it has forced them to play Hamilton and Lacey a little bit more so. With that being said, although the starters won't pay, although the starters won't play a lot, I do and I will be interested to see how Lacey and Hamilton look, because you know, this defensive tackle position is starting to become a concern. Now, look, if we are week two or week three into the season, the preseason, and Armstead and Mason Smith are still not there, then we might be in some trouble, but it's not time to hit the panic button just yet. But, that being said, I do want to see at least you know, if Lacey and Hamilton have to see a significant amount of snaps how they are looking. And then I also want to see where the backups are, because obviously, you know, we already are starting in a situation where there are injuries there. How does you know Jordan Jefferson look? How does some of these other backups on there, like Keevy Rose look and Eli Mostert? You know, maybe one of these undrafted guys can step up and help us in terms of alleviating those concerns at the defensive tackle position? Or even Austin Johnson, who we just picked up. How does he look? You know, maybe he could be a long-term answer for us. Um, granted the injuries we're enduring and could endure in the season, all right.
Speaker 2:So next up, I kind of already mentioned this, um when I was mentioning travis hunter. But how does jerry and jones look? Um, does he continue his progress from last year? He looked great last year as a rookie won't really touch on this because we already talked about it a little bit, but he looked great as a rookie last year. He really wants to play on the outside more. This is his grand opportunity to do so, with the injury going on to Buster Brown, who may not be back by the regular season, and the signing of the young man I mentioned earlier off of off a free agency could be an indication of that. So this could be Jerry and Jones's grand opportunity to basically show what he can do and, um, you know, just kind of distance himself from Brown while Brown is out, um, in terms of winning that boundary corner position. Um, also, too, man, like he's been looking good in practice. He had the one-handed interception that they highlighted on their um on the jaguars twitter page feel free to check that out but, um, it's been a lot of good things said about how he's performed and he has really taken this opportunity on the outside and really ran with it from everything you hear, read and see.
Speaker 2:Lastly, on the official depth chart, yazeera Abdullah was named as the number one linebacker on there, which, you know, it's probably like for that like hybrid Sam linebacker role, which kind of fits his body type. So just kind of, you know won't really go deep into this, but just want to see how he fares and how he looks with the starters. Again, he'll be looking at limited snaps, um, but how does he look with the starters? Uh, because it feels like, you know, when trent drafted him, he didn't really fit the mold of a trent balky guy, which was okay, because it's like hey, you know, trent. You, trent is considering different prospects than he normally considers, but also with that, he didn't really fit the scheme and have a place with the last regime and it feels like, with Anthony Campanile coming into the mix, this is a better fit for him. And, yeah, I just want to see how he fares in terms of when he's with the starters and, you know, has he made a jump from last year to this year? Because he's still a relatively young. You know what? He's in his second, third year a relatively young player. So, all of that said, those are the things I'll be looking at. Feel free to comment on some of the things you all will be looking for in the comments or, you know, shoot us some questions. If you have some things that I didn't address in terms of what I'll be looking at, you can shoot us some questions on Twitter and, yeah, we'll be more than happy to answer them to the best of our ability. All of that said, we'll get right into this interview with Jamal St Cyr from News 4 Jax, who has been at training camp for every session, all nine sessions, and, yeah, I hope you all enjoy it as we discuss what he has been seeing at training camp in 2025 for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 2:All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Touchdown Jaguars. As promised, we have a guest this week and we have a guest who has had his boots on the ground there on the field, so somebody who's been watching the action up closely um, more than even myself I call one day, but our guest has been there every day of the week giving you a breakdown of every play, literally on his timeline, of every like play 7 on 7, 11 on 11, you name it. He's been there. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, uh, welcome, jamal saint, seer of news for jacks to the podcast here, as we have a bunch of questions here. Man, as I mentioned, phil's going to miss out on this one, but he'll join me on the next episode, everybody, so we'll link up with him later. But, jamal, man, first and foremost, man, welcome to the show. And how are you doing, man?
Speaker 1:Hey, appreciate you having me on man. Yeah, look, football's a blast. Uh, busy time getting to training camp. Uh, it'll be fun when the season gets here. You know, preseason football can be fun and not fun at the same time. But yeah that's there. So I appreciate you having me on and always happy to talk some jags man yeah, yeah, I um I went Sunday.
Speaker 2:I was in town for Sunday. Okay, it was pretty hot. I was in the shade, though I see you and Demetrius on all of them. Y'all were out in the heat.
Speaker 1:It be cooking. It has been hot. I was leaving the station they talking about you know, it's the heat, extreme heat warning. I was like, yeah, what you want me to do, yeah, yeah. So I, it's all. Good, look a little sun ain't gonna hurt me too bad, I'll go stand out in the sun and so I can see what I can see. They all they're always saying, well, you don't stand in the shade. I'm like, well, we only got to be out here a couple hours.
Speaker 2:It's fine, that's true, go get it done yeah, man, it reminds me I don't miss those days of high school football.
Speaker 1:Man, I'm telling you, I remember in college like because I played college football at clark atlanta, and there was some of them summer days where, like they'd be talking about this wet ball thermometer and heat and stuff, and I could think of some of them summer workouts, where we were out there and I'm watching the heat come off the turf and I'm like I can see the heat. I know there's gotta be too hot to be out here like there is no way I'm supposed to be able to see heat coming off this ground and be out here at the same time. So now, whenever they talk about stuff like that, I'm just like man, there's no way. We were supposed to be out there, no way. But you know, look, that's part of it. You go through that. The heat grind. Uh, make you a little stronger, you'll be all right right bill's character bill's right, go on now but yeah.
Speaker 2:So my first question. I don't really like to start with the basic stuff, but I mean I will, uh, because everybody wants to know. Man, um, how has trevor lawrence looked? Um, the day I went again that was sunday. Uh, it wasn't his best day, but it sounds like since then he's like turned it on, like, especially when you look at the scrimmage too. I think a lot of people are high on that experience alone, like the fans that got to see it. But how has he been in totality in terms of camp for you?
Speaker 1:look, I think trevor has gotten better day by day, which is literally what you want to see. I think today, which is what sunday, um, that we're recording this. I think this might have been trevor's one of trevor's best practices, honestly, um, even the incomplete passes that were there I mean, man was, he was layering it between two and three guys just overreach, like putting the ball right where he wanted to be able to put it. Um, have there been some plays that he wants back? Sure, I mean, over the course of camp he's thrown 300 conceptions to this point through nine practices. But and there's a but only one of them was really his fault and it was really a play where he should have thrown it away. That was during the scrimmage. They were in the red zone. He tried to force something that wasn't there probably should have been a throwaway. Um, the other two were off tips. One was tipped at the line and you know how those tip drill can go and one came today and literally it went through. Travis Hunter's hands got tipped and ended up in the in the savings hand. So I mean tip drill kind of plays where that goes on the quarterback stack sheet. But that's not really necessarily his fault, um, but I think Trevor is in a good spot.
Speaker 1:Um, I think one of the most impressive things that we've gotten from Trevor so far through training camp didn't happen on the field. So right before camp kicked off, all the quarterbacks took a test, 100-question test. He had 45 seconds to answer each test or each question and they said Trevor scored the highest out of the group and he got an A on the test. Nick Mullins was second. I think Wolford was third.
Speaker 1:But the reason that's impressive is because, keep in mind, nick Mullins and John Wolford have both been in this offense for years. At this point Wolford was in the offense in Tampa and in LA basically the same offense. Nick Mullins was in the offense in Minnesota. So these guys have more time on task than Trevor, but Trevor able to score higher than them on the off, on the on the test. That just shows you the work he's put in and the command of this offense he has. Um, look, I think the sky's the limit for him this year. I really think this is going to overall. By the time we get to the end of the season people are going to say this was the best supporting cast that he's had around him since he's been in the NFL to go with, uh, some some pretty good numbers that I think he's going to end up putting up.
Speaker 2:I think he's really been stacking some good days and I think he's in a good spot yeah, as you mentioned, that's what you like to hear is progression throughout the period, throughout the process, and also, too, as you that, yeah, the test like we hear so much about testing in general, like with the combine and stuff Like sometimes we just don't really put a lot of thought into it. But yeah, when you break it down from that perspective, that Wofford has been in this offense, nick Mullins has up in Minnesota with the Vikings. Yeah, that is pretty impressive that he was able to outscore them and you know we we need big things out of him going into um year what is it? Year five? Uh, yeah, yeah, it's been that quick. Good, I lost track. Year five for him, man, uh, but yeah. My next question is the second most popular play on the field right, travis hunter um.
Speaker 1:He's the second most popular player might be btj no, I think travis is the most popular player on the field dude yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2:I mean I can't go on tiktok without like they'll put they'll literally put him in my algorithm, like it's like I wouldn't even look for travis I think he is the your most popular jaguars player and he hasn't played a down yet.
Speaker 1:But OK, yeah, what you got on Travis.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man. So could you talk about how he looked? He looked great. Sunday when I went he had a pick and almost got two more, like he almost got one to end practice on Cephas and he almost jumped Walford for one, no, mullins, mullins for one, no, mullins, mullins for one and I forgot who he was covering. But how has he looked since Monday? And also, too, like, how do you think they'll go about this plan of utilizing him in terms of weighing his snaps on offense and defense and what have you, and just in general in terms of how you think they'll utilize him?
Speaker 1:Look, I think they've done a lot of research. My expectation is he's going to play a lot on both sides of the football, because that's what I think they believe he can do. So I think he's going to play a lot of snaps. Are there going to be some where they try and manage it? Yeah, but I think he's going to play a lot of snaps, um, are there going to be some where they try and manage it? Yeah, but I I think he's going to play a lot of football on offense and defense for this team and I think he's going to be a really good player.
Speaker 1:He is explosive. The way he can contort his body to play the football in the air, um, it's impressive. Uh, it's impressive, it's different. There's not a whole lot of guys that can do that exact same thing or that have the ball skills that he has. If it's in his range, you never feel like a ball is something that he can't. You know can't pull in. Those sorts of acrobatics are what make him special on offense and defense. You know, because he's sticky in coverage. You know, because he's sticky in coverage, but it's that ability. Where any football that's in his vicinity, he's a danger to go up and get. It is what makes him able to be truly special at corner, and I mean that same explosiveness as a wide receiver and his ability to make moves in space and make people miss is something that is going to make him dangerous on the Jaguars offense.
Speaker 1:So look I I I think my hot take going into the season, as I think Travis is going to win offensive and defensive rookie of the year and I think he's going to have that sort of season and I think he's going to be really impactful for this team. I've seen nothing from Travis to change my expectations of him going into the year. I have been nothing but impressed the way he I mean he is impressive dude. You watch him at corner and I think he just has natural ability to play as a cornerback in the NFL. And then you watch him at wide receiver and you can see why they want to put the football in this guy's hands. So I think he's going to be impactful and, as long as he can stay healthy, I think the Jaguars are going to use this guy and he's going to be everything that everyone expects him to be out there on the football field yeah, yeah, that's what I saw sunday man like it felt like nothing was out of range for him, right, like at all.
Speaker 2:Um, even even when, like they had, you know you could tell the quarterback might have had a little bit of a jump on him by the time the ball is to the receiver. Travis is there because of acrobatics and length too. You know he's a little longer than people.
Speaker 1:Give him for two length, yeah he's got long arms and I mean here's one of the impressive things one of his teammates are. You know I've been trying to ask the guys you know about seeing him on offense and seeing him on the defense and one of the guys that's a veteran player, uh, who's been around a while with this defense and been around the nfl. He said one of the things that impressed him the most about Travis is that he expected him to make mistakes because he's trying to learn an offense and learn a defense. But he said, as far as he could see, that hadn't been the case. He said, on defense, he knows Travis has gotten out there and always known his assignment and hadn't been blowing coverages or making mistakes. As far as he could tell. On offense it had been the same thing where Travis wasn't out there running the wrong routes or confused on what to do.
Speaker 1:Travis's ability to grasp all of the information and do the work in the classroom while splitting time between two rooms, that's probably like something that he doesn't get enough credit for.
Speaker 1:When you've got a veteran NFL player saying like, hey, when we're in the installation phase and early in camp and through the off season, you know it wouldn't be surprising if you see a rookie that's trying to learn offense and defense, making mistakes, but this guy saying I haven't seen it, I haven't seen him make those mistakes. That's what's impressive is where he's able to grasp all that and do the work, and before practice he's worked if he's. If it's an offensive day for him, he's working with the defensive coaches, If it's a defensive day, he's working with the wide receiver coach. So where he's always getting that extra work so that way he knows what he needs to do. I think that's something that we're not going to focus on, because you're going to always focus on what he does on the field and what's truly impressive about it. But the way he was able to learn it and really retain the information and I mean play the mental part of the game, that's that's just as impressive, if not more impressive.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, I agree, I agree and I think what, what helps him too and a lot of people this goes over a lot of people's head because you just don't really think about it, but what helps him is some of the reason he's able to jump these balls on on defense is because he plays on the opposite side, right and like he and like I don't think I'll even go this far, I don't think it'll be something that we just see, because he knows the Jaguars playbook, he knows about playing receiver in general. I think this is going to translate into, when he's playing, other people who have completely, totally different offensive playbooks than us, and I think we'll see that. And that's why you get predictions like the one you have of people saying that he'll be defensive rookie of the year or offensive rookie of the year or both. And, by the way, you heard it here, folks, jamal just told you to go book it now. Go ahead, go to Hard Rock Cafe wherever, put him in for offensive and defensive rookie of the year, for offensive and defensive rookie of the year. No, I'm just playing there, but I think, like I think that's going to really factor into him, at the very least, being the defensive rookie of the year is because he understands, like, the concepts of receivers and what they're trying to do, and they've even mentioned this in like interviews, where he would go and tell his quarterbacks like I think it was maybe Shador or somebody you know um, what the cornerbacks on the opposite end were trying to achieve.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying and like how to how to hit him, and then you add in his acrobatic ability, as you mentioned, and like just nothing being out of his range, and you got a very dangerous player and I I too have been nothing short of impressed with him like he literally could have had three interceptions into the one practice. I went to three. So, uh, yeah, man, I can't wait to see him in action. Um, we'll go back to the offensive side, right? And um, I want to ask about that running back competition. Obviously, like you're going to go with your most experienced guys between Bigsby and ETN. Those are the front runners, right?
Speaker 2:of that room, from what you've seen, who do you think is leading the way? Because Bigsby, again, going back to Sunday, he was with the ones when I went and it sounds like he's continued to be with the ones, at least, which you might not have to put a lot into that, but it seems like Bigsby's been rolling with the ones and etn has been rolling with the as of late. But what do you make of that running back uh competition? How do you think it'll shake out? And also, like, what you think of the back end guys, because I really I'm a big uh laquint allen fan and I saw some things out of him Sunday which that's what I saw, like it translated from what I saw from him on film and I think, like you know, like wow it. You know it'll take him a while to get where he needs to get.
Speaker 2:I think he is ETN's replacement in the waiting, even over uh Basial Tootin and I will see in time. We'll tell on that ultimately, but I think when etn is no longer there, I think they might look to him to be the replacement of etn. We'll see, but yeah, what's your thoughts on that room in general?
Speaker 1:um, I think it starts and ends. I look I've been on the tank bigsby train for this thing as rb1 for a while. I think tanks thanks your guy. I think tank's going to lead this team in touches uh, not touches but maybe carries. Um, I think travis etn, as of right now, still going to be heavily involved. Uh, but I think if you, if we, if today was week one, it wouldn't surprise me if tank ended the game with 12 carries and tra Etienne ended it with six carries, but he also sprinkled in four or five catches, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I think about what Liam Cohen did last year in Tampa and he had Bucky Irving and Rashad White. Both of them were heavily involved in the offense. I think Tank is your Bucky Irving and I think Travis Etienne is playing the Rashad White role. They were both used differently in the offense. They both were utilized heavily and I think that is where we're at right now.
Speaker 1:As far as Basial Tootin goes, he's a little banged up, but man, when he's had a hamstring injury, but when he gets the ball and decides it's time to go, he is explosive. You can see the vision. No doubt I mean he's made Jack Kaiser missing space a couple of times during practice and I mean these are nasty moves and right now they're not even playing full contact. So for him to make somebody miss like that like he's cooking so Tootin' is just an explosive guy. I can see the vision for it, but I just I really feel like this year is going to end up being a redshirt year for him. To an extent. I my expectations. I think LaQuin Allen is going to play more than facial tootin this season unless something changes and everything is in flux right now. I think I'm with you.
Speaker 1:I've been a LaQuin Allen fan. They grabbed him in the seventh round and I immediately started saying his pass blocking ability is going to get him on the field as a rookie and as of right now. I'm still standing firm on that. I think he's going to play. If you think back to last year with the Jaguars, you saw Dearness Johnson play in a lot of big passing situations because they looked at that veteran and said he is my best pass blocker and pass catching running back on the team. I think LaQuinn Allen immediately steps into a similar role with this team where when they're in mandatory, we know they're going to pass. They need a running back who can block and possibly go out and catch something. I think that's where LaQuinn Allen is going to play.
Speaker 1:I think he's going to be up, but since we talked about the rest of the running back room, I'm just going to throw out a guy that's been impressive throughout practice so far, jaquinden Jackson. I'm going to tell you right now I did. I've done two 53 man rosters so far and I didn't have him on either one of them. But I'm waiting until this first preseason game to see this dude in the pads go against another team that has to tackle him. He's like 240 pounds, 236. And he runs tough. And if in the game he starts plowing through people the way he's kind of looked during practice, oh no man, we might be having a whole different conversation here in a week or two, because this dude might force somebody's hand to figure out how to get him on this roster. Because Jackson looks like a load and they've given him enough touches that they're trying to get a look at him, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1:Preseason obviously changes stuff, but man jackson looks like a load that they might be trying to figure out. Can we keep five or who do we got to get rid of, so that way we can keep four. So, um, we'll see what happens, but I think the running back room is is overall in pretty good shape. They got enough guys and I think liam cohen wants to have this thing as a committee, and there that's a position where there's a lot of injuries and there's reason to be excited about guys that are farther down the depth chart.
Speaker 1:You can be excited about Laquan Allen, for real. I mean he had some big plays when they started running. He was running tough and didn't back down. I mean he let Ventrell Miller have it a couple of times the first day. They put on pads and you know, foye Aluokun was getting his face and they were going back and forth and the rookie didn't back down. Uh, so the defense was going at him and Allen showed up, jackson has shown up, we I think we saw Tank Bigsby get a heavy workload last year and boy was rolling and we know what Teravis Etienne can do when he gets in some space and, uh, I think this offense is designed to get those running backs in space one-on-one and that's why these running backs are going to love it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you kind of mentioned something too with ETN. That I think a lot of people aren't realizing is that when you look at him and Bigsby, do it really matter who's taking the majority of the snaps, Because both of them, to me, are very good fits for the offense anyway.
Speaker 1:We're going to see a ton of two running back snaps, man right, exactly.
Speaker 2:So like, do it really matter? Is it like, is it really and that's why I don't like why the national media is bringing so much attention to the etn thing and like, oh, they'll trade for them? It's like, do you all not know the kind of usage your number two will get in this offense? Okay, not just as carries, as you mentioned mentioned, but catches right as well. And you look at the running back committee they had in Tampa Bay, as you mentioned, and yeah, like you can definitely see a place for Etienne in this system where he's a good fit. Like I've never seen him as a misfit, you know, and I don't think anybody's making the argument that he's a misfit, but what I'm saying is he has too many qualities that can help this offense look like what it looked like in Tampa Bay for them to trade.
Speaker 1:Barring something crazy, he's going to be used Now. The one thing I asked Travis this a couple of weeks ago is this is the most time he spent out lining up outside of the backfield in his career. He said, oh yeah, because they're going to line him up at wide receiver. There's going to be motions. They'll move them around, they'll get them the ball on jet sweeps. He'll move back into the backfield Travis is going to.
Speaker 1:The crazy part is if you think back to when urban Meyer was the coach and they drafted Travis ETN and urban's thing was he wanted Travis to be this offensive weapon and I remember going out to training camp and they were lining them up at wide receiver and stuff.
Speaker 1:To an extent we're kind of going full circle back to that um, even though he's less he's not Travis by no means as being a wide receiver this year but he's going to line up a ton outside the backfield where you're going to get to the line of scrimmage and people are going to be looking to see where one's lined up at um and then where he lines up at probably is not where he'll be when they snap the ball because they're going to put him in motion and move him around.
Speaker 1:Tank, on the other hand, is going to play your more traditional running back role and line up in the backfield a lot and they're going to use him downhill and let him do his thing. So different, different role, different strokes for different folks, you know what I mean. Like they're going to play these guys to their strengths and they're going to get touches and they're going to find a way to make it work in space. So it's tough to call one running back, one running back to that. They're really different roles in this offense, the way he sees it, you know, and and Cohen's vision, you need guys who can move around and do different things, and Tank might not fit the role that Travis is going to fit. Where Travis might not fit the role that Tank is going to fit, and that's what makes it perfect.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, no, that makes a ton of sense. It makes a ton of sense. So, yeah, we will. This is more so a general question, and you kind of mentioned the running back room. You mentioned Jackson, young man named Jackson I think is his last name Now who is like a surprise in terms of you know somebody who showed up in camp that flashed a little bit more than you expected or that you didn't kind of see coming For me I can't really say a person because, like a lot of people will point to Cephas, but I kind of expected that for him, like I thought he was draftable last year. But is there somebody like that that fits that for you?
Speaker 1:I'm sitting here looking at the roster in front of me. I mentioned Jaquinden Jackson who, once the pads come on, big boy, he's really flash. He's a physical runner. He's a little bit more explosive than maybe I gave him credit for At receiver. Yeah, I think Cephas has stacked some really good days. We saw it during practice. I got to talk to him after practice last week and he said, you know, he felt like he had good training camp practices a year ago but his problem was during the preseason games he didn't show up. But his problem was during the preseason games he didn't show up. So we've seen him stack those good practices and now his goal is to stack some good preseason outings because he knows, you know, showing up in the game is going to be big for him. Another guy I still think Eli Pankle is a guy that is sneaky, that could sneak onto the roster, but the receiver that's shown up the most. I think Parker Washington looks great. I think Parker Washington looks great. I think Parker Washington looks absolutely fantastic for what he's been rolling with and he's stacked a whole lot of really good days. I think Parker's a guy who's going to earn himself a role in this offense.
Speaker 1:And maybe the last guy is Hunter Long. I wasn't really sure what to expect from Hunter just because he hadn't gotten a whole lot of playing time with the Rams, but Hunter Long has really shown up and I think started to solidify himself as a good option at that tight end. Two spot behind Brenton Strange Long has made some big catches today. It was a big day for Hunter Long showing up in space and making a couple of really nice grabs off the top shelf.
Speaker 1:I think if we were starting to do a top five catches at camp, I think Hunter Long's got two of the top five. He's had some some really good days and made some really good plays. So I think that gives you a couple of guys on the defense. I don't know that anybody on the defense is necessarily really shocked me like just showing up. That I just wasn't expecting. Maybe Yasir Abdullah or Tyler Lacey guys that I think are pushing for starting jobs right now that I wasn't necessarily expecting. I think Christian Braswell's had some really good days throughout training camp as a guy who might sneakily lock himself into a 53-man spot, just to give you a couple guys there.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah. So yeah, it's a lot of guys that, like I said, um that you mentioned there that I want to like dig into a little bit more and we'll see definitely like. I think the pre-season will like answer a lot of questions as well, uh, so yeah, we'll look into that. Um, my next question is um, so we're in what camp? Session number nine.
Speaker 1:Today was number nine Yep, nine practices down.
Speaker 2:All right. Um, so my age is showing. It was nine, I'm right. Um, what do you think like is the biggest need for this team that you've like, that you've assessed, because for me I had concerns about the interior defense and line. Let me know. You know you can when you, whenever you answer, let me know if that's like still a concern. Uh, but just from your eyes and your standpoint, what do you think is an area of concern? Or not necessarily an area of concern, but somewhere that you think they might need an addition or that you know fans might be want to be concerned about?
Speaker 1:Look, I don't think there's any way around the interior D-line at defensive tackle spot right now. Eric Armstead's been banged up throughout camp. A lot of veteran rest days for him, so the expectation of moving him back to defensive tackle. I think he'll be ready to go when the season gets here, but just how ready? Mason Smith, who is a second-year guy who we're expecting to take a big step, who talked about it during the off season, feeling better, feeling stronger. He's been banged up and he's missed the start of camp. So right now you're you're starting defensive tackles, or Devon Hamilton, who they feel like is playing some really good football, and Tyler Lacey, who's a guy that I kind of had on the bubble going into camp. So I don't think there's any way around it right now.
Speaker 1:Defense attack was probably the weakest spot on the team. Like I feel pretty good about safety. I think the corners and DBs have played really well. Linebacker, you feel fine If you went on the offense and you were looking for a weakness.
Speaker 1:I think the offensive line still isn't like locked down. I think there's still some question marks there. But I also think that they're trying to block guys like Josh Hines Allen and Trayvon Walker, who I think are really good football players. So I think Walker little and Anton Harrison are being put through the wood chipper day in and day out, as well as some of those backup guys trying to block them and hold up there.
Speaker 1:So I think that's challenging on their part. So I I think the biggest D, like the biggest question mark right now has got to be right there on that, on that defensive tackle spot, and maybe back up tight in, because hunter long and johnny munt both just returned to practice today. Um, I already had question marks about depth, that tight end going in, and then the two of them being banged up left you with like patrick herbert, who's an undrafted free agent, along with a couple other guys that you know. You're just not sure what you're going to get if you do end up with a spot where they had to be like your top backup to Brenton Strange.
Speaker 2:OK, ok. So in my last question, which you kind of led into it it's funny you mentioned them. It was so that edge rusher group, yep. It was so that edge rusher group Yep. You know, as I said, the interiors are concerned to me, but I would dare say that edge rusher group is top five.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe I'm crazy for saying that in the league. It's one of the best duos in the league, man.
Speaker 2:These dudes are brawn trees, right Right, no, they're both. I mean like wow, right right, no, they're both. I mean like wow. You know you could argue that trayvon walker some people will argue that the jag shouldn't have taken him. Number one overall, um, paired with josh allen and what he's done for this team so far and the steps he's made year by year, it wasn't a bad pick. You can't sit here and say it was a terrible pick or anything like that. Um. So, that being said, um, could you talk about the edge rusher group as a whole because, like I said, I'm really high on the group and even beyond those two. Right, you have a veteran in the one, smooth, who has pretty much seen everything in this league and went and spent time with the bills last year. He's been with a team that you know is known for winning and you have um agba, who has made plays.
Speaker 2:Uh, he was making plays, like before the pads went on. I don't know how he's fair with the pads on, but veteran, that's seen it all right. Uh, you got the um the young man, uh, dennis. Um, I'm blanking on his last name, but he's coming back. He's a pass rusher specialist. He was on um ir for a little bit. Yeah, gear that. So he's a pass rusher specialist. He was on IR for a little bit. Yeah, garrett, so he's a pass rusher specialist. You know, probably don't have the size that those guys have, but you know he's a guy that can come in on third down and rush the pass Rusher. Can, you know, dip in and he can be one of the twitchy guys if you will. But yeah, can you talk about that group as a whole and your thoughts on them?
Speaker 1:Look about that group as a whole and your thoughts on them. Look, I think josh and trayvon are due for big years. I think both of them got to double digit sacks last year without much of an interior pass rush. To speak of um, moving eric armstead inside permanently, I think will boost that. I think a second year for mason smith who was coming on late last season I think once he gets healthy we'll boost that. So I think that edge group is in for a big dividend year Plus.
Speaker 1:You mentioned Emmanuel Ogba. I think he's one of the underrated kind of off-season acquisitions for the Jaguars. They haven't had a third pass rusher that you could really rotate in and feel confident in since Arden Key left. So adding him into the team I think is huge, just quietly for when those guys do need a playoff. You mentioned Smoot. I think Smoot's going to play some on the edge in that rotation but I think he's going to do his biggest damage possibly on the interior and some passing downs where they'll slide him inside to go get that pass rush on the inside. We saw that from him once upon a time back when he was with the Jaguars and we've seen them kind of work it during camp so far, a little bit too. So my expectation is that we'll see Smoot on the edge if needed, but I think we're going to see him as an interior rotation the most, where maybe you do see a time like if it's third and long, it wouldn't surprise me if you see Josh Trayvon, dejuan Smoot and Eric Armstead all lined up down there on the defensive lines so they can really get in that. I mean, I guess previous defensive coordinators call it something like a NASCAR package or whatever you want to, whatever camp decides to call it, as they get after it.
Speaker 1:But I think that edge group is really strong. And I think there's a guy you mentioned, dennis Geredak. He just got healthy so I'm not even going to venture to to guess what he could possibly bring. I know the people in Arizona were really high on him. But undrafted free agent Danny Strigow from Minnesota, um, he's a guy who's made a couple of plays and kind of flashed here and there, um, and I know they were really excited to get him as an undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1:James Leston likes to talk about guys that are intangibly rich and this dude, I would say, is pretty intangibly rich. He's kind of flashed throughout. He's the undrafted free agent that I think has caught my attention the most on that D-line edge group. He played in the senior bowl. He got the call the day before and just showed up and was wrapping his hand just to get out there on the field. He's a football player through and through and I think he's a guy who sneakily, might be able to squeeze his way on this roster. We'll see, we'll see. But Danny Strigow is a name that that's at least worth watching in that edge group.
Speaker 2:Yup, I remember the video um him literally like talking, being on a hot mic, and they were like uh, so do you even know the players? It was like nope, I'm just gonna go out here and do what I do you know?
Speaker 1:so yeah, no, I'll definitely watch him.
Speaker 2:Um, and yeah, he was another guy, I think, like when I did a review on the undrafted free agents, like he felt draftable too, like he should have like maybe been a seventh roundish pick, sixth round pick, um. But yeah, man, nah, we appreciate all of that insight and, um, if you will, before we let you go on about your day, because we know you got to be on the news tonight, all that good stuff. Uh, please feel free to plug your handles and let everybody know where they can find you and your content.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm pretty much anywhere you want for social media. Just look for JSTCYRTV. That's JSTCYRTV. You can also check all my stuff down over on news4jagscom Click on that sports page. Yeah, we've been cranking out a bunch of stuff throughout Jaguars training camp. We'll keep it rolling throughout the season For the most part, man, I remember trying to find stuff when I was growing up. I grew up in New Orleans trying to find Saints stuff, play-by-play and all that stuff. So I try and create the content that I was looking for when I was off scrolling trying to follow the team. So if somebody can dream it up and I can figure out a way to pull it off, we'll do it. So, um, yeah, this is this is all. For the love of the game, man, I enjoy it. Appreciate you having me on literally anytime, man.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know where to find me Absolutely man, and we appreciate what you do. Man, um, definitely like ever since you've been there. I think you've been at what five years now.
Speaker 1:Uh, going, going on. Is this six, or?
Speaker 2:I guess I got there in 2019, so yeah yeah, man year one for me we appreciate all the content you provided over the years. Uh, you always been nice to us. Even when we, you know, visited press box, you always been nice and, uh, everything, anything we needed, you've always been more than willing to come on and speak with us and answer any questions. So we appreciate it. And yeah, man, we'll link up with you, probably, if you can, during the season, at some point We'll do a runaround again and yeah, as always, man, we appreciate it here at the Touchdown Jaguars podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anytime, man, just give me a shout. Except for Fridays. Fridays are high school football nights for me, so outside of that, yeah, we'll make it work.
Speaker 2:Right, right, oh yeah, we won't bother you on the Friday night lights. Nah, I know how that is. Yeah, yeah, man, appreciate you coming on, man, man. All right, folks. So there you have it, our interview with jamal st seer. Hope you all enjoyed that.
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